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head1 said:
Without hard evidence it doesnt matter how many people go on record. Its all he said she said and nothing can be proven. In the court of public opinion you might have a case but there has to be more.
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NCAA relies almost exclusively on testimony. They don't have subpoena power to get hard evidence. We aren't talking about a legal trial here, just enough public opinion and ncaa convincing to punish AU and reveal their true colors.
 
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StoVol said:
No, when the parents called him he told them the head coach would be contacting them. This from the original story. I am worried tho, as the investigation unfolds, whether thig knew or was implicit in any misdeeds. As it stands now, I think he did what should have been done. One of your players gets arrested for a serious armed robbery, parents call to find out what the hell is going on, he states he's not sure and defers to the head coach. Smart actually, the above my pay grade argument. Some sh may hit the fan over this, hope none of it sticks to us. Certainly not as worried about thigs mention in the article as much as I would be about muschamp if I was a fla fan. U have player statements of cash handouts there. Not good. Hopefully hart and butch did their due diligence when hiring thig and he kept his nose clean.
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I know we all want Thig to be here forever with the way he's recruiting and what not.

The reality of it is that by the time the NCAA gets around to throwing the book at Auburn for anything that happened while Thig was there, he probably won't be at UT any longer.
 
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Appalachiamuck said:
If true, this is so, so sad for McNeil and his family.

It's not like AU is the only school where this kind of stuff goes on either.

I have to say, we're doing something terribly wrong as a society when we'd prefer to bury a young man rather than be honest and deal with consequences.
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Yeah, at first I was offended, and found it somewhat ironic that the major news outlets were solely focused on "Auburn paid players" rather than, "This guy might go to jail for no reason."

That said, each side of the story lines up with a politically charged stereotype. It really comes down to who you believe. His version story is no more original than the prosecutor's when you really look at it.

One of the real problems I have with this story is that the prosecutors can offer him 3 years on a plea but he's facing the possibility of life if he loses at trial.

First, even if he's innocent he's ****ing nuts to not take the deal.

Second, one of the most common responses to claims of racism in the criminal justice system is "do the crime, do the time." But then the same set of actions qualify under such a broad set of criminal definitions that the range of applicable penalties is 3 years to life in prison. When one guy has the power to decide which maximum penalty the defendant faces, there is considerable room for abuse there.

Edit- Sorry to get all political in the football thread.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Yeah, at first I was offended, and found it somewhat ironic that the major news outlets were solely focused on "Auburn paid players" rather than, "This guy might go to jail for no reason."

That said, each side of the story lines up with a politically charged stereotype. It really comes down to who you believe. His version story is no more original than the prosecutor's when you really look at it.

One of the real problems I have with this story is that the prosecutors can offer him 3 years on a plea but he's facing the possibility of life if he loses at trial.

First, even if he's innocent he's ****ing nuts to not take the deal.

Second, one of the most common responses to claims of racism in the criminal justice system is "do the crime, do the time." But then the same set of actions qualify under such a broad set of criminal definitions that the range of applicable penalties is 3 years to life in prison. When one guy has the power to decide which maximum penalty the defendant faces, there is considerable room for abuse there.

Edit- Sorry to get all political in the football thread.
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Dont do the crime if you cant do the time....
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Yeah, at first I was offended, and found it somewhat ironic that the major news outlets were solely focused on "Auburn paid players" rather than, "This guy might go to jail for no reason."

That said, each side of the story lines up with a politically charged stereotype. It really comes down to who you believe. His version story is no more original than the prosecutor's when you really look at it.

One of the real problems I have with this story is that the prosecutors can offer him 3 years on a plea but he's facing the possibility of life if he loses at trial.

First, even if he's innocent he's ****ing nuts to not take the deal.

Second, one of the most common responses to claims of racism in the criminal justice system is "do the crime, do the time." But then the same set of actions qualify under such a broad set of criminal definitions that the range of applicable penalties is 3 years to life in prison. When one guy has the power to decide which maximum penalty the defendant faces, there is considerable room for abuse there.

Edit- Sorry to get all political in the football thread.
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i do think state's should consider some rule where if a prosecutor offers a deal it can't go x amount over that deal - a kid that young a life sentence would likely be a 50 years sentence - 3 to 50 is too much of a range

maybe it can't be more than double the deal offered - so he would be looking at 3 or 6

if a prosecutor is willing to come down from 50+ to 3 that prosecutor is telling you he/she doesnt think the case is locktight

but this is coming from a guy that occasionally watches law and order so what do i know
 
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SpringBokVol said:
Defense looks really suspect.

Man I hope it comes together.

With the fast paced offense we are going to have the D is going to see the field a lot.
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I know it is not fair to make a judgment on a small selection of practice footage but I agree...the defensive front 7 was getting pushed around in some of those drills...the plus side is that we have one of the best OLs in the country.
 
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C-town Vol said:
I know it is not fair to make a judgment on a small selection of practice footage but I agree...the defensive front 7 was getting pushed around in some of those drills...the plus side is that we have one of the best OLs in the country.
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Very true. It's likely the best O-Line they will face all year.

Of course, facing one of the best receiving corps in the country all through practice last year didn't really help our secondary much. But my hope is the simplified scheme will help us to be at least an average defense, which may be all we need this year.
 
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vol2002 said:
Very true. It's likely the best O-Line they will face all year.

Of course, facing one of the best receiving corps in the country all through practice last year didn't really help our secondary much. But my hope is the simplified scheme will help us to be at least an average defense, which may be all we need this year.
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I think facing an up tempo offense everyday in practice will help also. If they can get the signals and get lined up properly vs our offense they shouldn't have a problem doing it vs everyone else except maybe oregon.
 
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"Every player had to hand-deliver invitations," Jones said, who explained the benefits of the gathering can extend both ways. " ... It's also a chance for us to teach them the daily structure of a student-athlete in our football program and what they go through in their routine day-to-day, week-to-week and year-to-year. I'm really looking forward to it, and the response so far has really been overwhelming. It's been great."

VolQuest.com - Jones, Vols: Breakfast will be served

Once again a very good idea by CBJ.
 
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Just wanted to say, the new thread on recruiting tweets is a very good idea whoever made it. I've enjoyed reading through it. Some of it is probably redundant with posts in other threads, but it's nice to have in one place.
 
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wU-Tang Vol said:
After tending to the illness of his mother, running back*Marlin Lane*returned to the practice field Thursday after missing Tuesday's workout.

Freshman early enroll wide receiver*Paul Harris*was in No. 91 for the second time this spring. Normally Harris wear No. 1, but had it taken away earlier this spring after wide receiver coach Zach Azzanni said he wasn't playing worthy of the single digit.

Running back*Rajion Neal*looks to have a firm grip on the first-team reps with*Alden Hill*and Lane battling for the No. 2 spot.

Justin Worley*seems to have an edge in the quarterback battle and is taking the majority of the first-team reps right now.

Jason Croom, after being praised by head coach Butch Jones, has moved into the starting group of receivers alongside*Devrin Young*and*Cody Blanc. Second-team reps have gone to*Vincent Dallas, Pig Howard and Paul Harris. Howard caught a nice deep touchdown over nickle corner*Jaron Toney*in 1-on-1 drills Thursday.

-scout
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Alden Hill battling with Lane? Is Hill coming along?
 
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