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Trust me, I gagged. Truth is he's solid, makes few mistakes, and has a chance to have 3 NC's. He'll get drafted before Teddy.

NFL teams don't care about NCs. How many starting NFL qbs have NCs? The only one I can think of right now is Cam newton unless you want to count Palmer's split NC. However I can name a long list of QBs that won NCs, but were drafted low and did nothing in the NFL. McCarron is a game manager on the best team in college football. Thanks to that running game of his, he is guaranteed single coverage pretty much all the time.
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didn't read back to see where the Teddy v. AJ nfl draft debate started but....

teddy B is going in the top 5. great arm strength and pinpoint accuracy. AJ is by far the best pro prospect UA's had at QB but he's a tier below Bridgewater
 
A few different reasons why Lville won: Teddy is better QB than Tyler Bray and any on UF or UT roster. Charlie Strong is a Top 5-7 defensive coach...top 3 when he has over 30+ days to gameplan. L'ville also has a roster full of Fl kids and a few of those WR will play on Sundays.

And Louisville's highest rated recruiting class ranked what number? Your gators got beat by that level of talent. Which shows everybody that better schemes, preparation, focus and execution wins games regardless of supposed talent.

Just because some of Louisville's players came from Florida HS's does not mean they are highly talented. They just have better upside than what Charlie could recruit from Kentucky and surrounding states in his opinion.

The Teddy to Tyler comparison is ludricous.
 
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And Louisville's highest rated recruiting class ranked what number? Your gators got beat by that level of talent. Which shows everybody that better schemes, preparation, focus and execution wins games regardless of supposed talent.

Just because some of Louisville's players came from Florida HS's does not mean they are highly talented. They just have better upside than what Charlie could recruit from Kentucky and surrounding states in his opinion.

The Teddy to Tyler comparison is ludricous.

Agreed. The only reason they had an sec win as well is because they played Kentucky (nuff said) and fl slept on them.
 
I don't discount a team bc of had bad their conference may be. Cuse beat an SEC team no matter how bad that SEC is...they still beat an SEC team. Since the SEC is the measuring stick of college football that would count as a solid win.

All I'm saying is Strong is a legit coach and Teddy would be a starter in any league. And L'ville kicked our ass no matter if we got off the bus or not.

No one is discounting teddy as a qb or strong as a coach. They arnt what you're trying make them. You're over playing it because you got beat by them.
 
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No one is discounting teddy as a qb or strong as a coach. They arnt what you're trying make them. You're over playing it because you got beat by them.

and you're down playing them bc of where they play. Too bad we won't get to see them in the ACC this season with Teddy. Guess if he wins another BCS vs the bigs this season more will give him and L'ville credit.

People knocking Teddy bc of where he plays are funny bc 2 BEast Qb will go before Bray in this draft and if Teddy was draft eligible he would go before any SEC QB.
 
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I don't discount a team bc of had bad their conference may be. Cuse beat an SEC team no matter how bad that SEC is...they still beat an SEC team. Since the SEC is the measuring stick of college football that would count as a solid win.

All I'm saying is Strong is a legit coach and Teddy would be a starter in any league. And L'ville kicked our ass no matter if we got off the bus or not.

I agree. Strong is a great coach, to say he anything bad about him cause he plays in the big east is ridiculous. He is recruiting the same talent pool as the rest of the big east. Same with butch when he was in the big east and MAC.
 
bridgewater would be the top QB in this draft imo the only guy with a legit top 10 grade too

im pretty shocked anybody thinks bray is better
 
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You are correct. UT has never won the Fulmer Cup. But UGA has.


Past winners

Year School Points
2006 Marshall University 15
2007 University of Illinois 24
2008 University of Alabama 28
2009 University of South Florida[5] 18
2010 University of Georgia[6] 20
2011 Auburn University[7] 81
2012 University of Arkansas[8] 68
 
UL loses 10/10 head to head. The loss was an abortion, you're trolling

maybe in SEC play but give a 10 win team with SEC talent/coaching 30+ days to gameplan and they could beat any SEC team not name Bama. you act like Lville is rolling out 2* players and 260 OL/DL. Also what UF team are you bases this off...A&M/FSU or Ga/La-Laf? Have to play a near perfect game on O to win vs all teams not named Ky and 1AA south. Only people outside of UF thought this should have been a cakewalk. Many Gators believed it would be close or UF would lose.
 
1. Can you count on one hand how many times you've seen the qb line up under center in this offense?

2. Does there appear to be more speed on this defensive team than a year ago?

3. We're losing a ton of linemen on both sides of the ball after next season. Just how many linemen do you think the coaches will sign on both sides of the ball?

4. Is TN a legit contender for Alex Bars?

5. Does Butch appear to be the real deal when it comes to recruiting or did he catch a break with a class of legacies and good in-state prospects? How much more persistent is he than the previous regime?

6. Do you see any other football prospects committing this spring?

7. How has Alan Posey looked this spring?

8. Is Mack Crowder at a good weight for the center position? It seems like he's been at 275 Lbs. forever.

9. Have any other players stood out on either side of the ball? Has anyone developed as a new playmaker besides Ladarrell?


1. Yes, I can't remember it happening once this spring.
2. They may not be running a faster a 40 time, but they're playing faster because they're not having to think.
3. I think they have to sign around 5 or 6 on defense, including some juco linemen. On offense they can probably go 4 or 5.
4. I think they are now after this last visit.
5. He's very persistent and very disciplined in his approach to recruiting. It's certainly nice to have the talent instate and the legacies this class and that helps, but they were behind with a number of those guys and have made up a ton of room in just three months.
6. Yes, I could see some more guys jump in between now and the spring game.
7. He needs to be more physical and needs to lose a little more weight to be more agile.
8. I think they like what he can do at the center position. Mahoney talked about him yesterday.

-Paul
 
1. Can you count on one hand how many times you've seen the qb line up under center in this offense?

2. Does there appear to be more speed on this defensive team than a year ago?

3. We're losing a ton of linemen on both sides of the ball after next season. Just how many linemen do you think the coaches will sign on both sides of the ball?

4. Is TN a legit contender for Alex Bars?

5. Does Butch appear to be the real deal when it comes to recruiting or did he catch a break with a class of legacies and good in-state prospects? How much more persistent is he than the previous regime?

6. Do you see any other football prospects committing this spring?

7. How has Alan Posey looked this spring?

8. Is Mack Crowder at a good weight for the center position? It seems like he's been at 275 Lbs. forever.

9. Have any other players stood out on either side of the ball? Has anyone developed as a new playmaker besides Ladarrell?


1. Yes, I can't remember it happening once this spring.
2. They may not be running a faster a 40 time, but they're playing faster because they're not having to think.
3. I think they have to sign around 5 or 6 on defense, including some juco linemen. On offense they can probably go 4 or 5.
4. I think they are now after this last visit.
5. He's very persistent and very disciplined in his approach to recruiting. It's certainly nice to have the talent instate and the legacies this class and that helps, but they were behind with a number of those guys and have made up a ton of room in just three months.
6. Yes, I could see some more guys jump in between now and the spring game.
7. He needs to be more physical and needs to lose a little more weight to be more agile.
8. I think they like what he can do at the center position. Mahoney talked about him yesterday.

-Paul

Guess he didn't want to answer #9?
 
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Not coming prepared or wanting to be there could be part of it but acting like Teddy isn't a top qb and Strong isn't an great coach is crazy...acting like Bray is a world beater...kid as a losing record as a starter and in the sec. :rtfm:

Our O was never going to beat anyone but Ky and UT but the way L'ville O moved the ball showed they very good unit and Teddy is an elite QB. Compare what Teddy did vs UF and what Tyler did..not even close and you had the better WR unit. Jus think of how bad L'ville would have beat.

As for the 30+ day point..look back at this time at DC and look at UF record during bowl games(5-2) overall. So yeah if he has time to gameplan he can stop anyone. This is the game guys that stop the highest scoring O in the NCAA in Okie and manhandle tOSU.

SO funny that a fan of a team that lost to Vandy even talks about what happen with a 11-2 team. :lol:

You make some fair points, even though I can see you're trying to rub it in a little. Don't forget some of these people you're talking to, on a vol message board.

Teddy is a great QB. Moreover, he is an entirely different QB than Bray. It's not that fair to compare them, different conferences, different skill sets, etc. However, on paper, Teddy obviously looks a ton better than Bray, and Bray has a poor attitude unfortunately. Teddy's approach to the game, in regards to his mentality, if obviously above and beyond Bray's. However, you sound extremely biased in your thoughts, is it because Strong was at UF at one point, and Teddy is a FL kid?

Don't give them too much credit. They played a great game. But, that was the first game UL has ever really proven anything under Strong. UF did not put up much of a fight, no matter which angle you look at it. UF played very poorly. In other words, we're looking at a combination of factors. UF's offense wasn't that good all year, and you went against a coach in Strong who is defensive minded and who knows how to mitigate an opposing QB who uses his feet, as he coached for Meyer/Tebow afterall.

At any rate, Teddy versus Bray, they are different QBs with different skill sets. Bray played for a garbage coach, and an offensive coordinator who put him in terrible positions, at times. I think Bray has the NFL potential, moreso than Teddy, but he'll never get there with his mental approach to the game.

Final thoughts: Teddy is a great QB. Strong is a good coach who still has more to prove, IMO (he's won one BCS bowl, and he plays in a garbage conference). Bray is nothing special at this point, but he has potential. He played for a bad coach, and he has a poor attitude.
 
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You make some fair points, even though I can see you're trying to rub it in a little. Don't forget some of these people you're talking to, on a vol message board.

Teddy is a great QB. Moreover, he is an entirely different QB than Bray. It's not that fair to compare them, different conferences, different skill sets, etc. However, on paper, Teddy obviously looks a ton better than Bray, and Bray has a poor attitude unfortunately. Teddy's approach to the game, in regards to his mentality, if obviously above and beyond Bray's. However, you sound extremely biased in your thoughts, is it because Strong was at UF at one point, and Teddy is a FL kid?

Don't give them too much credit. They played a great game. But, that was the first game UL has ever really proven anything under Strong. UF did not put up much of a fight, no matter which angle you look at it. UF played very poorly. In other words, we're looking at a combination of factors. UF's offense wasn't that good all year, and you went against a coach in Strong who is defensive minded and who knows how to mitigate an opposing QB who uses his feet, as he coached for Meyer/Tebow afterall.

At any rate, Teddy versus Bray, they are different QBs with different skill sets. Bray played for a garbage coach, and an offensive coordinator who put him in terrible positions, at times. I think Bray has the NFL potential, moreso than Teddy, but he'll never get there with his mental approach to the game.

Final thoughts: Teddy is a great QB. Strong is a good coach who still has more to prove, IMO (he's won one BCS bowl, and he plays in a garbage conference). Bray is nothing special at this point, but he has potential. He played for a bad coach, and he has a poor attitude.

Good post.

Fact is UF only moved the ball against KY and UT in the SEC. The FSU and SC game was given to us on a silver platter. No way you shouldn't score and win when teams give you the ball 4 or 5 times. Lville didn't do that and that was the main reason UF went from a 8 win team to a 11 win team this season. Yes, the D play big boy ball but whenever we didn't win the t/o battle UF lost the game.

It's just bs when people think just bc a team or kid didn't play in the SEC that their success should be taken with a grain of salt. If he played in the SEC we don't know what his product would be on the field but on that given night he beat an 11 win SEC team..no matter if UF didn't care or just got beat by the better team. Look at their roster 17 out of 22 starters claimed SEC offers; coaches that have won on every level and played with a chip on their shoulder. All that can win one game vs 98%of the team in CFB. Sometimes I understand why other program hate the SEC and it not because we won 8(?) BCS titles in a row or media circle jerk.
 
How about actual NCAA stats instead of making stuff up?

Bray: Total Offense #19, Passing #26, Passing YPG #13, Passing Efficiency #29
Bridgewater: Total Offense #26, Passing #27, Passing YPG #18, Passing Eff. #8

Interception %: Bray 2.66 Bridgewater 1.91 - tied to Passing Efficiency

Team Total Offense: UT #18 UL #52

Bridgewater bests Bray in efficiency due to interception frequency and completion %. All other meaningful stats Bray posts better. I did not show total yards, etc. because of the differences in talent at receiver. UT blows UL out of the water in total offense. UT's offense was quick strike with an intermediate to long passing game featured. UL was shorter, ball control route driven with bubble screens, etc. Due to the nature of the offensive scheme Bridgewater posts better efficiency - it is simply a safer, more conservative passing scheme. In addition, Bridgewater benefited from playing lesser competition throughout the year and had a better defense backing him such that he did not have to pass as much or take as many chances in attempts to come from behind.

Bridgewater is a fine QB for the system he plays in. But if he were asked to create offense like Bray was he would have been in way over his head. In no way have I ever been a fan of Bray and feel that he contributed to our downfall with his attitude and self centered, childish BS. But as a QB, especially this past year, he proved his talent is at the top of the charts. UT failed because of coaching and bad defensive schemes.

FWIW Cincy finished #36 in total offense while using two QBs, the first one having nearly screwed up their season.
 
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