Everyone needs to calm down...

#77
#77
Ever notice how Martin when he is being interviewed never looks you in the eye? My Dad told me to never trust anyone who won't do that. He figgits, licks his lips, and never says anything of substance. As to the snub, Hart needs to get off his sorry ass and raise hell with slime, the committee chair, or the NCAA so that this type of biatching never happens again. It is similar to working the refs. Someone on the committee said we had no big wins? Please define big wins and how many St. Marys had? They wouldn't win 5 games in the SEC. Yes I am pissed because Martin is a bust, remember every high screen Alabama set and executed with no answer by Martin, hell even Dykes kept bringing it up. I long for the days of Doug Dickey who never let us get the shaft like we just did. Please clean house with the likes of Cheeks and his buddies. Things in athletics have been in decline since that SOB set foot on our campus. Final note look for Hart back to Bama when Moore's health fails and he retires.
 
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#78
#78
knowthevols said:
Sparty you are the only one to ask a decent question. You never get asked about why we have to lose ten games before we start to play decent ball, as I said in another thread " you can't appease a radical".
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I've talked multiple times about CM not making changes early in the year. I didn't like our lineup and offense.

Your post talked about "Martin slurpers" and other childish bull****. You know enough of the game to not go down that route.
 
#80
#80
Shaun1985 said:
People hated Pearl. I just hated not having a half court offense or an elite pg smoking our press.
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There were some dominants and followers on VN that hated Pearl because of his history. incidently their leader even dissed Reggie white.
The actual fan base loved Pearl because he won.
When and if Martin turns the corner he'll be just as loved , but maybe not so much on VN which isn't an actual indication of the fan base.
 
#81
#81
It was hard to watch Martin's presser. You can see him squeeze his eyes shut when someone asks him a specific question on Mercer. It is like he is trying to wake himself up from the nightmare.
 
#82
#82
To be honest, I don't think this team will improve too much next year even with Maymon and Hubbs. When we are 30 games in and we still can't run our offense that works, then those are issues that we will continue to see. Trae will still be our primary pg. Yes Maymon and yes Hubbs will make big contributions, but there is one fact that IMO we will still continue to see that will haunt us next year. CCM can not get his team motivated to play outside TBA. We are a Jekyll and Hyde team. Play inspired bb in TBA. Play WTF bb outside. I see 1 good road / neutral site win in 2 years and that was FL.

Road/Neutral wins in 2 years:
Chaminade
Florida
S. Carolina
LSU
UMass
Vandy
Tex A & M
Auburn
Miss St.

Away/Neutral losses in 2 years
Duke
Memphis
Oakland
Charleston
Memphis
Miss St.
GA
Vandy
KY
Bama
Ole Miss
Ok State
Georgetown
Virginia
Bama
KY
Ole Miss
Ark
GA
Bama
 
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#84
#84
johnnybravo said:
To be honest, I don't think this team will improve too much next year even with Maymon and Hubbs. When we are 30 games in and we still can't run our offense that works, then those are issues that we will continue to see. Trae will still be our primary pg. Yes Maymon and yes Hubbs will make big contributions, but there is one fact that IMO we will still continue to see that will haunt us next year. CCM can not get his team motivated to play outside TBA. We are a Jekyll and Hyde team. Play inspired bb in TBA. Play WTF bb outside. I see 1 good road / neutral site win in 2 years and that was FL.

Road/Neutral wins in 2 years:
Chaminade
Florida
S. Carolina
LSU
UMass
Vandy
Tex A & M
Auburn
Miss St.

Away/Neutral losses in 2 years
Duke
Memphis
Oakland
Charleston
Memphis
Miss St.
GA
Vandy
KY
Bama
Ole Miss
Ok State
Georgetown
Virginia
Bama
KY
Ole Miss
Ark
GA
Bama
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I made the same point when some were saying this would be an elite team next season.
Didn't go over well.
Same core of players without the mental toughness it takes to win road games and a coach that hasn't yet learned to control his players during games.
Also, we have no guarantee that Maymon will return as the same player he was in 11-12.
Another slow start and we could be biting nails in March again next year.
 
#85
#85
calban said:
I made the same point when some were saying this would be an elite team next season.
Didn't go over well.
Same core of players without the mental toughness it takes to win road games and a coach that hasn't yet learned to control his players during games.
Also, we have no guarantee that Maymon will return as the same player he was in 11-12.
Another slow start and we could be biting nails in March again next year.
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Absolutely no excuse for the slow start when the same core group was back this year. They played several games overseas and had many more practices because of it. Yeah, we didn't have Maymon, but we did have a first and second string All SEC players on the team. To wait halfway through Jan to finally put McRae in the starting line up is clearly a coaching error. Many thought he was POY. How can you not see that tallent at the beginning of the year?

As for our away from TBA team....I have no answers
 
#86
#86
Here's the thing. If we are going to play supposed big 10 type basketball, you are going to have tight games. If you have tight games, you are going to lose when you have bad leaders on the floor and limited offensive schemes and shooters.
Ole miss, fla and mizzou made it from the SEC, and they all just play basketball. Not robotic.
He better let the kids play and cut them loose next year with the talent we have. If we settle for half court games, the talent will be wasted.
 
#87
#87
johnnybravo said:
To be honest, I don't think this team will improve too much next year even with Maymon and Hubbs. When we are 30 games in and we still can't run our offense that works, then those are issues that we will continue to see. Trae will still be our primary pg. Yes Maymon and yes Hubbs will make big contributions, but there is one fact that IMO we will still continue to see that will haunt us next year. CCM can not get his team motivated to play outside TBA. We are a Jekyll and Hyde team. Play inspired bb in TBA. Play WTF bb outside. I see 1 good road / neutral site win in 2 years and that was FL.

Road/Neutral wins in 2 years:
Chaminade
Florida
S. Carolina
LSU
UMass
Vandy
Tex A & M
Auburn
Miss St.

Away/Neutral losses in 2 years
Duke
Memphis
Oakland
Charleston
Memphis
Miss St.
GA
Vandy
KY
Bama
Ole Miss
Ok State
Georgetown
Virginia
Bama
KY
Ole Miss
Ark
GA
Bama
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I hate to go there, but when you break it down like that, it reminds me of Buzz ball. Now don't get me wrong, Martin is much better than Peterson, but it's reminded me of how Peterson especially looked bad on the road. Remember his one year that the Vols only won ONE road game, it was an early victory over a bad UMass team.
 
#88
#88
Any coach at any program should have the support of the "faithful" til proven otherwise. The NIT presents the opportunity for more practice and game experience, that's how you get better and learn how to win. :yes:
 
#89
#89
orangeluvr said:
Any coach at any program should have the support of the "faithful" til proven otherwise. The NIT presents the opportunity for more practice and game experience, that's how you get better and learn how to win. :yes:
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Sometimes "proven" comes earlier to some than others. Dooley proved to me that he couldn't coach a lick way before he was fired.
 
#91
#91
My hope is that having a senior Maymon who showed more fire than probably anyone this year even though he was on the bench will help with the road woes.
 
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#92
#92
Spartacavolus said:
Here's the thing. If we are going to play supposed big 10 type basketball, you are going to have tight games. If you have tight games, you are going to lose when you have bad leaders on the floor and limited offensive schemes and shooters.
Ole miss, fla and mizzou made it from the SEC, and they all just play basketball. Not robotic.
He better let the kids play and cut them loose next year with the talent we have. If we settle for half court games, the talent will be wasted.
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I agree somewhat but plenty of elite programs perfect half court games and dominate. We don't have to be run and gun or 100 mph to utilize our athleticism. I do agree that we should pick up the tempo. That's how we settled and played down to competition a lot. With the players we have, we should be able to beat you a number of ways. Good teams like Georgetown can run in transition and beat you with a half court game. It's just frustrating.
 
#93
#93
bleedingTNorange said:
My hope is that having a senior Maymon who showed more fire than probably anyone this year even though he was on the bench will help with the road woes.
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I don't have any doubt about Maymon. He always seemed like he was hyped up and in good spirits. You'd have to think this carries over to rehab and getting better. This kid is a beast so I don't see any drop off.
 
#94
#94
Spartacavolus said:
Here's the thing. If we are going to play supposed big 10 type basketball, you are going to have tight games. If you have tight games, you are going to lose when you have bad leaders on the floor and limited offensive schemes and shooters.
Ole miss, fla and mizzou made it from the SEC, and they all just play basketball. Not robotic.
He better let the kids play and cut them loose next year with the talent we have. If we settle for half court games, the talent will be wasted.
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This. We're going to have too many athletes on the floor next year to just play half court ball. Let them get up and down the floor.
 
#95
#95
When you lose to Georgia, Alabama, Ole Miss and Arkansas multiple times, you get what you deserve...NIT
 
#96
#96
If maymon is back, he can work the ft line against a zone and kick it out or attack. We didn't have one player that could play that role this year, and it hurt, especially when we can't dribble penetrate from the 1 or 2 position.
 
#97
#97
bleedingTNorange said:
My hope is that having a senior Maymon who showed more fire than probably anyone this year even though he was on the bench will help with the road woes.
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Could help, but we only won 3 road games when he played in 11-12.
Seems to be a deeper problem.
 
#98
#98
bleedingTNorange said:
My hope is that having a senior Maymon who showed more fire than probably anyone this year even though he was on the bench will help with the road woes.
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Our road record with Maymon playing last year was just as horrible. IMO Maymon is not the answer.

We win when we drive the ball or feed the post. That is the formulation for our success. We will still have Trae, Richardson, and McRae looking like they need to be playing in a middle school girls league when they try and feed the post. The 3 are the worst passing guards that I have seen combined on one team. McRae has shown that he can hit the 3, but he is streaky. I'd love to see his 3 pts % away vs home. Once those 3 get out of rythme, they quit driving the ball. They can't feed the post. And we see them jack up 3s. CCM for some reason can not control his guards to "consistently" play the style of ball that wins us games.
 
#99
#99
What's more sad is we are discussing next year while other teams still have dreams of a championship. Darn the luck :mad:
 
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