Coach Candidate Groupings

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I keep thinking about the presumed coaching candidates in the following groups:

Homeruns but not gonna happen
- Gruden
- Stoops
- Peterson
- Patterson
- Gundy

Sketchy Characters - Lets Avoid
- Petrino
- Tressel
- Davis

Not impressive in FL, would be worse in TN
- Fisher
- Golden

A little long in the tooth
- Tubberville
- Spurrier
- Fulmer
- Briles

Good Candidates, but TN job probably doesn't make sense
- Mora Jr
- Shaw

Our True Candidates - Not HRs but Solid Coaches
- Strong
- Mullen
- Fedora
- Franklin
- Jones

Thoughts?
 
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lol, the sketchy characters are in my top 5.

In fact, none of your realistic coaches are even on my radar.
How about:
Petrino
Fisher
Butch
Roman
Fulmer
 
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Brining this thread back because I'm bored with some down time between work cases.

I never have posted my top choices, so here goes:

1. Gruden (still at the top until someone officially takes the job)
2. Stoops
3. Tressel
4. Peterson
5. Fisher
6. Franklin
7. Strong
8. Petrino
9. Shaw
10. Golden

This is my Top-10. Each of these should be considered for various qualities, but these 10 all have potential to get Tennessee back on track the quickest.

Having just completed my list, if my list is anywhere near that of Hart's, then we are almost halfway down and it shouldn't go much further. With the exception of Gundy (who I don't think would be the bet fit here), if you choose to believe the media reports coming out, we are somewhere in the Fisher-Franklin-Strong window now and that lines up with my list as well.

I don't believe it will be Gundy. Or Patterson. Or Fedora. Or Davis. Or Mullen.

I do believe that UT reached out to Gruden (obviously), Tressel, Stoops and Peterson (or a UT representative "reached out" unofficially and off the record to a representative of said coach if we want to be technical about it). If inquiries have gone unanswered from those or if interest isn't there, then that also puts us in the Fisher-Franklin-Strong option window.....and baring a change of drastic proportions, if it's not Gruden, then the new coach in my opinion will one of those three.
 
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DocVol said:
Brining this thread back because I'm bored with some down time between work cases.

I never have posted my top choices, so here goes:

1. Gruden (still at the top until someone officially takes the job)
2. Stoops
3. Tressel
4. Peterson
5. Fisher
6. Franklin
7. Strong
8. Petrino
9. Shaw
10. Golden

This is my Top-10. Each of these should be considered for various qualities, but these 10 all have potential to get Tennessee back on track the quickest.

Having just completed my list, if my list is anywhere near that of Hart's, then we are almost halfway down and it shouldn't go much further. With the exception of Gundy (who I don't think would be the bet fit here), if you choose to believe the media reports coming out, we are somewhere in the Fisher-Franklin-Strong window now and that lines up with my list as well.

I don't believe it will be Gundy. Or Patterson. Or Fedora. Or Davis. Or Mullen.

I do believe that UT reached out to Gruden (obviously), Tressel, Stoops and Peterson (or a UT representative "reached out" unofficially and off the record to a representative of said coach if we want to be technical about it). If inquiries have gone unanswered from those or if interest isn't there, then that also puts us in the Fisher-Franklin-Strong option window.....and baring a change of drastic proportions, if it's not Gruden, then the new coach in my opinion will one of those three.
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If's it between fisher-franklin-strong, then I'll be one of the minority because I'd rather have franklin from that group. If Fisher bails on FSU then how is he better than Petrino? Back to Franklin, he's done a fantastic job coaching up his talent and recruiting for where he's at. Strong is last one I'd like out of those picks.
 
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alaVOL said:
If's it between fisher-franklin-strong, then I'll be one of the minority because I'd rather have franklin from that group. If Fisher bails on FSU then how is he better than Petrino? Back to Franklin, he's done a fantastic job coaching up his talent and recruiting for where he's at. Strong is last one I'd like out of those picks.
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Out of that group I would rank Fisher and Strong 1a and 1b. I wouldn't hate Franklin, I just don't think he as good of a coach as Strong or Fisher.

I have no idea how you can say Fisher leaving FSU is anything close to what Petrino has done.
 
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I would say Tressel and Davis are both possibilities, long shots, but possible. The boosters will NOT allow us to hire Vandy's head coach, EVER.
 
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bnhunt said:
I would say Tressel and Davis are both possibilities, long shots, but possible. The boosters will NOT allow us to hire Vandy's head coach, EVER.
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Your opinion.

But this is not true. Franklin is a possibility.
 
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Why does everyone think that we are actually getting a big named coach? Just they have the money doesn't mean a darn thing. We all WANT THE BIG NAME but for some reason it hasn't happened yet. Only time will tell.
 
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I think you're general outline is good, but I disagree on some specifics.

1. I don't see Davis as sketchy. I think it's been pretty clearly shown that the UNC issues were way bigger than him.

2. I'm not 100% convinced Franklin is a good coach. He could be, but I don't know that he is. That said, it's way too risky to approach him. If we do and he's not interested, he makes a big stink about how he'd rather be at Vandy than Tennessee, and Tennessee wishes they were coached as well as Vandy, etc. It's a PR nightmare. He's the sort of guy who would do that just to get under our skin.

3. I'm over Mullen. He looked like he was righting the ship in year two, but he fell back to earth. In the last two years, his best win was either over a Dooley-coached Tennessee or a Smith-coached Arkansas. In his career, he has 0 wins over top 20 teams. I know MSU has a pretty low ceiling, but he's not even thinking about scaring the big boys. Closest game against a top three team from the West in the last two years: 19-6 loss to LSU last year.

4. You're being a little too harsh on Golden. Remember the sanctions he's dealing with.
 
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DocVol said:
Your opinion.

But this is not true. Franklin is a possibility.
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Love it! You basically say "Your opinion, but it's not true because of my opinion. My opinion trumps your opinion. Double stamped, no takebacks."
 
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I think the OPs list is very accurate except that Gundy and Franklin should be moved to good coach bad fit category. Jmo.
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Incipient said:
I think you're general outline is good, but I disagree on some specifics.

1. I don't see Davis as sketchy. I think it's been pretty clearly shown that the UNC issues were way bigger than him.

2. I'm not 100% convinced Franklin is a good coach. He could be, but I don't know that he is. That said, it's way too risky to approach him. If we do and he's not interested, he makes a big stink about how he'd rather be at Vandy than Tennessee, and Tennessee wishes they were coached as well as Vandy, etc. It's a PR nightmare. He's the sort of guy who would do that just to get under our skin.

3. I'm over Mullen. He looked like he was righting the ship in year two, but he fell back to earth. In the last two years, his best win was either over a Dooley-coached Tennessee or a Smith-coached Arkansas. In his career, he has 0 wins over top 20 teams. I know MSU has a pretty low ceiling, but he's not even thinking about scaring the big boys. Closest game against a top three team from the West in the last two years: 19-6 loss to LSU last year.

4. You're being a little too harsh on Golden. Remember the sanctions he's dealing with.
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Mullen should've left last year or the year before when he had a few opportunities to do so.

Just like Franklin should do the same before he comes crashing back down to reality and his opportunities become less then they are now. Not saying that to get him to Tennessee, but he needs to take a bigger job than Vandy now while he can before his stock falls.....and it will.
 
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247VOL365 said:
Love it! You basically say "Your opinion, but it's not true because of my opinion. My opinion trumps your opinion. Double stamped, no takebacks."
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Ha! Well done....

Not that your opinion is not true. The fact that boosters and money would never allow Hart to bring in Franklin--that part is not true and it's not opinion.

Franklin is in play and it doesn't matter where a coach is from if Hart, the AD, boosters and all involved believe he is THE guy to take Tennessee to the next level in this rebuilding.

Whether he is or is not THAT GUY is a huge question. But if he's not given consideration for it, it has nothing to do with the fact that he is currently at Vanderbilt.
 
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DocVol said:
Ha! Well done....

Not that your opinion is not true. The fact that boosters and money would never allow Hart to bring in Franklin--that part is not true.
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Oh, it wasn't even my opinion to begin with, I just wanted to bust your chops. However, I am curious why you say not true. Is it your opinion that it is not true, or is it a fact? And it can't be your opinion that it's a fact, ha ha. That would still be an opinion. :)

Ah ha! Nice edit DocVol. Thank you.
 
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Fedora should get more play than he has, but probably won't for a number of reasons including timing.

HC experience
SEC experience
Turnaround experience
Dynamic style of play

Jeremy Foley thinks very highly of him and I would not be surprised to see him back at UF at some point.
 
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bnhunt said:
I would say Tressel and Davis are both possibilities, long shots, but possible. The boosters will NOT allow us to hire Vandy's head coach, EVER.
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I think Tressel would recruit well and win, but he is serving a five year show cause. With our current probation, coupled with the recent extension, I don't see how we could even approach him.
 
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247VOL365 said:
Oh, it wasn't even my opinion to begin with, I just wanted to bust your chops. However, I am curious why you say not true. Is it your opinion that it is not true, or is it a fact? And it can't be your opinion that it's a fact, ha ha. That would still be an opinion. :)

Ah ha! Nice edit DocVol. Thank you.
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Ha, I like it.

Thought the added clarification would help....or not...or maybe. :)
 
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Gruden not on the lists anymore? Hmmm

This may have played out perfectly.

Gruden and Hart wanted things quieted down. Seems to have worked.

:popcorn:
 
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I don't think we should even attempt to talk to Franklin because as another poster said, he would use it to get under our skin. Also think about this. We go to him offer him the job and he turns it down and then we go out and hire another coach. Now Franklin can go to every recruit in the state and say that even we thought he was better than our new coach because we offered him the job first, he turned us down and we had to settle for the new guy. Not only would that be embarrassing the to the entire university and all the fans, it would also give him another thing to use against us in recruiting.
 
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