Official Jon Gruden Thread XIV

[Coastypop]

Kevin Pipes was not on TSR yesterday representing Smoky Mtn Knife Works, that was a manager at the store on the show.

Afternoon Gman..... havent been here much today, but has everone decided. to settle for middle of the pack of the SEC

 

[TechnoVol]

I talked to Steve Phillips from WBIR and he told me that UT had not recruited Todd Howells boy what so ever and that kid just broke the all time receiving record in the State. Now why would UT/Dooley not have recruited that kid. I guess this goes alone with what was said about Dooley not even returning calls from local coaches or recruiting kids from Tennessee.

Todd Howell's boy Davis broke the National HS reception record. Tremendous achievement for sure. They recruited and committed his teammate Josh Smith.

What's the difference... SPEED. Howell is 4.8 while Smith 4.5. Wouldn't surprise me to see Howell & their QB High go to Carson Newman together with their head coach.

 

[volfan4evr]

You can lay a little bit of blame at the money men's feet if that's how you feel. Hart didn't drive this bus with Gruden, he is a passenger. Don't be naive.

Depends on which camp you believe.

 

[volatil]

Watching the male version of gossiping on this Gruden issue is absolutely fascinating to me!!!

Our cycles are syncing up in this thread.

 

[hohenfelsvol]

From hep in the Fisher thread........

Some posters on TOS hearing it may be Fisher.

Starting to pick up steam.

Smoke screen. Going after Lovey

 

[hohenfelsvol]

Our cycles are syncing up in this thread.

Nice

 

[Jake]

Watching the male version of gossiping on this Gruden issue is absolutely fascinating to me!!!

Very comparable to hen talk isn't it? Lol

 

[MACGRUDER]

But Hargis never said it was over. He said the sticking point was assistant pay. That's where it was at the time of his article. Hart has to negotiate this, does he not?

Yep, and "unnamed" sources from the AD saying Gruden has ruled himself out of the search, in my opinion, is in no way shutting the door on this.

With as much as he blew the lid off with his Thursday night article, it sounds like people reached out to him/gave him just enough to write a follow up taking some of the momentum off the deal. Yet, without Dave Hart being quoted directly, just how much should those "unnamed sources" be trusted?

In my opinion - not much. I think they wanted him to write a follow up deflecting from the search to slow it down, since he was far and away the most credible person feeding into the pursuit in the first place. Yet again, the pattern just seems so obvious. He got too close, and they needed some time behind the scenes to take some heat off of this thing - thus why more vague reports have been flying out since about other potential candidates.

I'll say it again, until Dave Hart or Gruden directly release statements or another coach is trotted out to take over the team, I still believe Gruden is very much in play and the likely next coach.

 

[CMcEver]

I never said he was wrong, all I said was he could be as he is pretty much the only guy reporting on it. If he is right Hart needs a moving van in front of his mansion that is being paid for off of Neyland's hard work.

He said he had evidence, not just word from his sources... one of his sources was almost positively Thornton, and he would know thing or 2.

 

[volatil]

Smoke screen. Going after Lovey

Or Troy Calhoun

 

[Dudleys87]

If what Ole Ron posted is true then Hart should terminated.

 

[vollygirl]

Depends on which camp you believe.

Explain please.

 

[volgr]

I think Hart took Gruden's demands back to the boosters and made a case against hiring him and the boosters agreed with Hart. Case over.

I dont think that is the case. Most of the OG's reported the MOU was agreed upon.

 

[Jake]

Our cycles are syncing up in this thread.

Hahahahahahahaha!!!

 

[bcartervol98]

I have a suspicion that volnation fan-base is a very minute part of the TN majority and most of what we have read/experienced here has gone mostly unnoticed by the vast majority.

...unfortunately

I would say this is as close to fact as one can get.

 

[patrick]

A little research would tell you he's not a crackpot. He's old school newspaper writer that doesn't report something as fact unless he has the source telling him it's fact. If he states an opinion, you know it's an opinion.

And he had two sources. No media member in knoxville has stake their reps on what they are reporting!!

 

[vollygirl]

Our cycles are syncing up in this thread.

lol:

 

[RockCityVol]

Looks like hart won. How? I have no idea.

You are correct.

 

[UT PaulVol]

Everything's gonna be just fine. This is not dead. Both parties will meet again soon. They did this to silence all the talk of Gruden and UT and it worked perfectly.

 

[VolGee4]

This is where "writing checks their asses couldn't cash" comes in imo. If UT could do everything I think these boosters told Gruden it could, then he would be here. According to LWS and Skeeter that I trust now more than ever before, NO university could agree to the things Gruden wanted. I cannot imagine the boosters thinking "done deal" without leading him to believe things that weren't necessarily true.

Again, personally I think they should either donate or not donate and leave the personnel decisions to those in place to make those decisions. Having an opinion is one thing, but this went way further than simply boosters having an opinion I think.

Carter, this kind of power struggle has been going on for years at schools. It is a tough situation. For the amount if money that I heard a Haslam was willing to pledge, I can see why they wanted their input to be heard. Serious money. It's like when people donate big money to a school's department or to a library or something. They earmark it for a specific reason because that is what is important to then. Tough situation, but the AD and boosters must be on the same page. Both have to help each other.

 

[peerless98]

If what Ole Ron posted is true then Hart should terminated.

If what the OG's posted is true, Gruden would be our coach.

 

[Insunseri]

Everything's gonna be just fine. This is not dead. Both parties will meet again soon. They did this to silence all the talk of Gruden and UT and it worked perfectly.

Soon?

 

[volgr]

From hep in the Fisher thread........

Some posters on TOS hearing it may be Fisher.

Starting to pick up steam.

Wasn't Skeeter recently saying it was looking like Strong? I love it. Yet the OG's were witch hunted yesterday.

 

[vollygirl]

Yep, and "unnamed" sources from the AD saying Gruden has ruled himself out of the search, in my opinion, is in no way shutting the door on this.

With as much as he blew the lid off with his Thursday night article, it sounds like people reached out to him/gave him just enough to write a follow up taking some of the momentum off the deal. Yet, without Dave Hart being quoted directly, just how much should those "unnamed sources" be trusted?

In my opinion - not much. I think they wanted him to write a follow up deflecting from the search to slow it down, since he was far and away the most credible person feeding into the pursuit in the first place. Yet again, the pattern just seems so obvious. He got too close, and they needed some time behind the scenes to take some heat off of this thing - thus why more vague reports have been flying out since about other potential candidates.

I'll say it again, until Dave Hart or Gruden directly release statements or another coach is trotted out to take over the team, I still believe Gruden is very much in play and the likely next coach.

Read his second article closely. He's reporting what the other "reports" are saying. He isn't providing any source of his to say that Gruden is out.

 

[vol494]

Everything's gonna be just fine. This is not dead. Both parties will meet again soon. They did this to silence all the talk of Gruden and UT and it worked perfectly.

Arky fan, IMO!! Lol.