Official Jon Gruden Thread XIV

[GreatWhiteNorth]

What in the wide world of sports is going on here?

 

[DynaVol]

I just want to point out that Hart can be fired today, without cause.

I have said, and believe for various resons that Hart may not ever hire a coach at UT.

We may actually have a new AD before we have a new coach if Hart is really trying to screw the pooch on this one.

 

[Stevorino]

OldVol: If your hypothetical is perhaps the case here, then is it fair to say LaMonte's strong words were because if Tampa had some kind of proof of a deal with UT, they could void the last payment? I am reaching probably, just wondered

I'm not an attorney - but as a CPA, here's what I see:

We have established that Coaches begin working on MOUs, an industry norm.

If it can be proven that there was an MOU in place, the Bucs attorneys may be able to prove that Gruden was in fact employed by the Uni of Tenn.

That would explain a lot of these circumstances if that date was today or at a date that has yet to pass.

I didn't realize there was 1.2m on the line for Gruden... if so, I can see him wanting to wait it out.... and that doesn't even include the pride/stick it to the man factor.

 

[OrangeScience]

Good to see the smoke signals being deciphered.

 

[RockyTopSC]

I think Liper is onto the scent. All of this came apart last night right about the time the TFP breaking the news happened. Almost seems like the hand was forced and it got out of control. Then it had to be put down until the right time. I just can not reconcile why it had to be brought back under control so aggressively. That is the piece I am missing.

 

[volgr]

Sorry for the delay. Yes I think this is still happening. I think next week but that's just my thinking. I've been told no timeframe.

If they have waited this long they are probably going to wait till close to the end of the MNF season. I'd say it could be 2 or 3 more weeks. At this point is is obvious they aren't worried about the current recruiting period, so what is the rush?

 

[Stevorino]

What in the wide world of sports is going on here?

grude is back in play

 

[MrVol]

The sticking point was pay for the assistants.

Why did Hart not just pay them?

 

[KoachKletus]

I'm still being told it can happen.
60% ish.

hahaha,,you still trolling the grooden forum. They ran me out in the grood 1 for even suggesting it aint happening. Oh, wait, let me guess, you were named an insider. You still at 60ish or are ya gonna believe me now?

 

[Unknown Muppet]

Lets just put a hypothetical question out there! Lets say a man was waiting on getting his final pay check. Lets pretend that the check would come on the 1st of the month. Would it be worth it to wait for for it if said man had 1.2 million reasons to wait for it?

I believe there is a code here. I must decipher it!

 

[Vol2424]

Is the hire then immediately made public?

I've been here since page one of the first Gruden thread. That being said , I am not an insider , and don't know the answer to that. My opinion is it's a little to do with MNF , and his Tampa buyout. It just comes across too strange. When Lane left , Jon made it crystal clear that he had no interest at all in the Tennessee job. Those were his exact words he said on Mike and Mike , the day after Lane left for SC. He spoke very well about his love for Tennessee , but that he had no interest in taking any job at that time. That was nothing like what we have heard this time around. I don't know what is going to happen , but I damn sure think we still have a shot.

 

[RLJ]

Only a few more hours before the coaster starts going up........no sources here but just relying on history!

 

[Wilson27]

It still bothers me that Jon Gruden who has said he loves UT would answer the question on Mike and Mike so tersely. Today no statement from him either and his agent downright insulted us. Gruden isn't a stupid man. Would he really burn this many bridges in East Tennessee? Wouldn't he more likely come out and say something like "I am very flattered that the place that gave me my start would want me to be their next head coach. This is a huge honor to me and my family. I love East Tennessee and the University of Tennessee however I do not feel this job is right for me at this time. Thank you."

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

I cant stop thinking of some of the things that were supposedly said by LaMonte. I could comment on several things, but this one keeps eating at me....Lamonte said he only talked to Hart for the first time today. He said that Hart called him and said that he had HEARD RUMORS (that grudens was interested) and that he wanted to call to clear the air....or something along those lines. You mean to tell me that the only thing that gave Hart any clue that Gruden could be a candidate is thathe heard Rumors? I call B.S. what do you guys think?

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[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

At this point I feel the only sure way to get to the truth, is to kidnap all parties, and bring some pipes and a blowtorch...

I know a mountain where these things can be done private like....

 

[Orange4Life71]

This may have already been posted but my understanding of what went down comes from a source that I trust as much as the Chattanooga Times reporter trusts his. Gruden wanted full control of Football Operations, reporting directly to Cheek, not Hart. He wanted TOTAL control. Boosters were split. Haslem was on Hart's side, Peyton on Gruden's side. To restructure the Athletic Department and lose control of football had to be a difficult pill for Hart to swallow and so he balked. Money may have been an issue but I feel boosters would have written the check. No way he can go public with that information IMO. Have a feeling the Athletic Department and boosters are as split on this as the fans are. Time will tell.

I can handle Gruden have total autonomy over the football program. Peyton wouldn't support someone he didnt feel could better us. :clapping::dance2: That would be a relief.

 

[DD4ME]

The only thing I don't get is that this whole fiasco was unknown to either side of posters with sources. No one came in and said whoa it's cool. Which makes me think leaks got tossed out too when the eject button got hit.

 

[Stevorino]

I think Liper is onto the scent. All of this came apart last night right about the time the TFP breaking the news happened. Almost seems like the hand was forced and it got out of control. Then it had to be put down until the right time. I just can not reconcile why it had to be brought back under control so aggressively. That is the piece I am missing.

my guess is that it is going to sleep for more than a week AND that they were worried about bucs lawyers looking into it for Gruden's buyout

if they are announcing monday, you are right - no need to be so harsh. If it's a couple weeks, you gotta rip the head off the grumors.

 

[daj2576]

Obviously talking about the Bucs, and we don't know what his contract said, but it's hard to imagine how simply being announced as a coach (in college no less) would affect what they owed him, assuming he didn't officially begin work until after the final payment was due. And your point is a good one as well--even if they needed to delay, why not just shut up for a few more days instead of letting your agent say what he said. There has to be more going on here than simply the last payment issue.

I wanted differentiation because I had heard a totally different dollar figure for the Buc's buyout. I guess the truth is that not many people know what the figure is, how it is structured, or any restrictions.

We can clearly deduct that simply taking a sports industry job does not void the payments (he works for ESPN). It would be hard for me to imagine a payout that is structured so that he could not coach in college, but very easy to imagine a payout that would stop or diminish should he take an NFL coaching gig.

I guess I was wondering if the 1.2million figure was something from ESPN. For instance, maybe he gets paid 1.2 million quarterly, and if he takes a job before that last quarterly payment they do not owe him for said quarter, or something. All of my options are similarly hard for me to believe.

 

[coffeevol]

Piss on Gruden. Hope he takes the crappy browns job and takes a dump.

 

[WesternKyVol]

Well hypothetically speaking of course, if perhaps publicly accepting another position could possibly void the last payment structure. Hypothetically speaking.

OldVol, did you find out about the check check today?

Also, do you mind telling us what your name is? I just know you played in the 70's?

 

[247VOL365]

Can not answer that hypothetical question.

you can't answer? peculiar.

 

[bharmon32]

I'm still being told it can happen.
60% ish.

Damn you slice. Just when I have come to accept the Gruden deal is completely over, you pull me back in.

 

[CourtJester]

its the same clause our "past coaches" have in their contract

The problem remains the specific language. I still have a hard time seeing how simply being announced as having a new job to start in a few days (or 2 or 3 weeks) would matter because the operative language would seem more likely to be tied to the actual start of the new job. But who knows. It could say something like "accepting" another job as coach, which could indeed be construed as being tied to an announcement.

 

[InVOLuntary]

You know the last payment from Tampa Bay makes alot of sense. This thing started going south right after the Mike and Mike fiasco. Gruden seemed surprised and almost angry. That coupled with the article in the Chattanooga paper may have been the reason for the abrupt and seemingly harsh breakup. Now is this breakup permanent because of Gruden's anger toward the leaks obviously on the Tennessee end or is this Orchastrated to protect his final payment from TB?