More Gruden press.

#28
#28
tngivem6 said:
Please no!
The guy is a good coach but a horrible person.
Just look at his track record.
Lies to Atlanta to go to Arkansas
Lies to Arkansas after being caught with his head in the cookie jar,
He is not some I would want my son to grow up and become a man like that.
No morals at, just from what I've seen.
Not judgin the man, but if the grass is brown, it must be dying.
"And that's a scientific fact!"
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"Head" in the cookie jar? Haha that's one helluvba cookie jar.
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#33
#33
Bill Walsh was a very successful college coach before going to the NFL. A two year stint before retirement would hardly define his career. To put him on the list is a joke.
 
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#41
#41
Probably written by a hog fan hoping to disuade us from going after Gruden so they can. Let them take Strong, I want Gruden.
 
#43
#43
hillsborovol said:
This article is cherry-picking who to include and who to leave out. They even included former NFL coordinators who had never been a head coach in the NFL.

Let me cherry-pick and include Nick Saban and Steve Spurrier. They've done fairly well after a head coaching stint in the NFL. Seems like Pete Carroll did pretty well after being in the NFL and going to USC.

This article is a bunch of nonsense.
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oh yea,tell everybody again how Saban and Spurrie done in the NFL. as I recall,they were loser's.:whistling:
 
#44
#44
My best friend's inbred cousin Clem John saw Hart meeting with Saban at the Cracker Barrel in Pigeon Forge yesterday. Saban is a done deal
 
#45
#45
1. Gruden 2. Strong 3. Petrino Those are my coaching choices, and really if we don't get any of them I would rather keep Dooley for one more year.
 
#46
#46
The article makes a good point that NFL coaches aren't automatically good college coaches. It also ignores why they weren't good college coaches.

For starters, not all the people listed were actually NFL head coaches. Sylvester Croom and Charlie Weis were never HCs before. Croom was a position coach. Weis was an OC. Weis did well on offense while at Notre Dame, but he never seemed like a "head coach" --- he was always an OC trying to be an HC.

The next issue: two of the coaches listed were not exactly known for having great relations with their players. Callahan had a massive player revolt on his hands, and Wannstadt wasn't known for his player relations either. This is actually more important in college than it is in the NFL.

Bill Walsh might not be the greatest example because his college coaching experience was rather limited. He only returned to Stanford for three years before retiring, and it never seemed clear that his heart was in it. But he did have one wildly successful season at least.

Mike Sherman was fortunate enough to coach a well-run GB Packers squad that had Brett Favre on it. He wasn't a disaster at A&M, but he never met expectations either. But Sherman never really looked like a "college coach." There are a variety of successful college coaches, but the most successful ones tend to be charismatic leaders or schematic geniuses (or a good combination of the two). Sherman definitely belonged to neither category. He was an old-school conservative NFL playcaller with zero charisma. I never once thought that Sherman's style would be suited for college.

I don't think Gruden really fits into the same category as any of these guys. Gruden is the type of guy who would like to recruit and who is passionate about coaching. He's an offensive innovator and he's charismatic. Doesn't mean he'd automatically succeed wildly, but he's not like any of the people listed above either.

Overall, I'd say that a lot of the hires above ignored the personalities of the coaches and how they were ill-suited to the college game. I think Gruden's personality could be suited to either the NFL or college and he might even be better in college.
 
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#49
#49
So if Gruden were to come here, would he not still have to work out his Monday Night Football contract? That probably ends in February. How would he balance all that with recruiting?
 
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