Recruiting Forum: Football Talk

[HankHill]

MONTE Kiffin was considered a homerun. LANE Kiffin was considered an up an comer.

And no one was really scratching their heads, at the time it was a good hire.

You are high if you think ppl weren't scratching their heads. A guy who was terrible with the raiders, had little input in the xs and os at usc. And waspart of a recruiting scandal... yea homerun

 

[Atzar]

Hell yea!! That is all the proof of poor coaching on that kickoff right there. CP returned the previous kick for a td so everybody in the stadium & watching on TV knew they wouldn't kick to him again. Coaches should've had them expecting that pooch kick. No other way to spin that.

Sure there is: Rivera screwed up a play that most high schoolers wouldn't screw up. Our players should already know this. If this was more than a fluke play and they honestly don't know to catch the ball on a kickoff, then the problem is recruiting, not coaching.

 

[WallyBalls]

I'd freak out about tackling if it wasn't a freaking EPIDEMIC in college football.

We can't tackle...then we're out of position when trying to clean it up. Deadly combination.

 

[PKT_VOL]

Offense: UT across the board.

Defense:
UT on the DL
Even at LB - meaning equally bad
MSU at DB

If you factor in depth at DL, I am not so sure. I can get on board with starters though.

UT ran it right at their front 8 all night and they couldn't stop it. Not even close.

Bottomline here here is talent edge overall absolutely goes to UT.

For the most part, we don't have a problem on offense. We can score points. Although our playmakers love to not make plays; bad reads by our 1st round QB, bad throws by our 1st round QB, dropped passes by our NFL receivers, fumbles, missed blocks, etc.

Our main problem is that we can't stop the other side.

With the exception of maybe our kickers, these season's woes fall directly on the staff. Hell, its taken Chaney 2.5 years to figure out how to call a game. I get the lack of talent argument, and for the first two years, it was a reasonable one. There really is no excuse this year. The foundation is there.

No doubt about the kickers.

I think Chaney has done a great job. One can certainly make the "abandoned the run" argument with UF. However, I can't tell you how many dropped balls we had from our all everything WR's. They were good plays; our players just didn't make plays. Had they caught those balls, huge momentum swing in our favor and suddenly Chaney is a genius and VN is flooded with "air siren" threads.

 

[StlCardinals2618]

I'm with you.

So reactionary and just no sense of reality.

Ok, you want to change? Great, give me a good, solid argument about how things will improve. Give me a example of a coach that can come in, get the team all on one page, bring in a quality class, get them to go through ANOTHER transition, etc, etc.

And please explain how yet another offense, another defense, another strength program will benefit this football program.

Make your case. I'm open to it. I just want to see a quality case made instead out pure emotion. (FWIW, "how can it get any worse?" is a ridiculously pathetic argument.)

Meyer and Hoke come to mind pretty quickly.

 

[HankHill]

Meyer and Hoke come to mind pretty quickly.

I would be open to offering meyer 8mil a year.

 

[LynxVol]

I'm with you.

So reactionary and just no sense of reality.

Ok, you want to change? Great, give me a good, solid argument about how things will improve. Give me a example of a coach that can come in, get the team all on one page, bring in a quality class, get them to go through ANOTHER transition, etc, etc.

And please explain how yet another offense, another defense, another strength program will benefit this football program.

Make your case. I'm open to it. I just want to see a quality case made instead of pure emotion and a misplaced sense of entitlement. (FWIW, "how can it get any worse?" is a ridiculously pathetic argument.)

Agreed. Now I'm out. Gotta sleep off this thing.

 

[StlCardinals2618]

You are high if you think ppl weren't scratching their heads. A guy who was terrible with the raiders, had little input in the xs and os at usc. And waspart of a recruiting scandal... yea homerun

Lane Kiffin was very into xs and os, that and recruiting is what he lived for. He was also very hands on with receivers. Hubbs said he was one of the most impressive receiver coaches he has seen here.

 

[rjd970]

I'm with you.

So reactionary and just no sense of reality.

Ok, you want to change? Great, give me a good, solid argument about how things will improve. Give me a example of a coach that can come in, get the team all on one page, bring in a quality class, get them to go through ANOTHER transition, etc, etc.

And please explain how yet another offense, another defense, another strength program will benefit this football program.

Make your case. I'm open to it. I just want to see a quality case made instead of pure emotion and a misplaced sense of entitlement. (FWIW, "how can it get any worse?" is a ridiculously pathetic argument.)

All I know is I've seen zero evidence that this team will ever out coach another team. Zero. Ever. And I'm open to being wrong and hope I am.

There should be an expectation of improvement in the W/L column by year 3. We seem to be going backwards, or maintaining status quo at best. We can continually be a 7-5 or 8-4 team every year, or we can go get a home run head coach, be medicore next year, and see improvement in years 2 and 3.

 

[HankHill]

Lane Kiffin was very into xs and os, that and recruiting is what he lived for. He was also very hands on with receivers. Hubbs said he was one of the most impressive receiver coaches he has seen here.

Sarkisian had more input then lane kiffin did. That's why the raiders job was offered to him first then offered to kiffin

 

[doubleh]

I'm with you.

So reactionary and just no sense of reality.

Ok, you want to change? Great, give me a good, solid argument about how things will improve. Give me a example of a coach that can come in, get the team all on one page, bring in a quality class, get them to go through ANOTHER transition, etc, etc.

And please explain how yet another offense, another defense, another strength program will benefit this football program.

Make your case. I'm open to it. I just want to see a quality case made instead of pure emotion and a misplaced sense of entitlement. (FWIW, "how can it get any worse?" is a ridiculously pathetic argument.)

Unfortunately the argument is how can it get any more average replacing DD

 

[HankHill]

Lane Kiffin was very into xs and os, that and recruiting is what he lived for. He was also very hands on with receivers. Hubbs said he was one of the most impressive receiver coaches he has seen here.

And if hubbs says something I guess it means a lot

 

[WallyBalls]

Meyer and Hoke come to mind pretty quickly.

I wouldn't argue with them...but I meant a coach that UT could hire.

 

[ob79]

You are high if you think ppl weren't scratching their heads. A guy who was terrible with the raiders, had little input in the xs and os at usc. And waspart of a recruiting scandal... yea homerun

Like I said, MONTE Kiffin was considered a homerun.

 

[StlCardinals2618]

Sarkisian had more input then lane kiffin did. That's why the raiders job was offered to him first then offered to sarkisian

No, he didn't. That was Sarkesian's first year back at USC. Kiffin was the OC when Chow left. That was Kiff's offense.

 

[StlCardinals2618]

And if hubbs says something I guess it means a lot

Considering he has worked for the university for over a decade, I'd say so.

 

[WallyBalls]

All I know is I've seen zero evidence that this team will ever out coach another team. Zero. Ever. And I'm open to being wrong and hope I am.

There should be an expectation of improvement in the W/L column by year 3. We seem to be going backwards, or maintaining status quo at best. We can continually be a 7-5 or 8-4 team every year, or we can go get a home run head coach, be medicore next year, and see improvement in years 2 and 3.

Fine, but make the case.

 

[HankHill]

No, he didn't. That was Sarkesian's first year at USC. Kiffin was the OC when Chow left. That was Kiff's offense.

Pete carrol is at my crib. He disagrees

 

[HankHill]

Considering he has worked for the university for over a decade, I'd say so.

And sine he's been around so many different wrs coaches I'm sure he can spot a great one when he sees it

 

[StlCardinals2618]

I wouldn't argue with them...but I meant a coach that UT could hire.

No one knows. No one knew Hoke would do it, nor Urban. UT won't know unless they did it. It may work, it may not. There is maybe 3 coaches that would without a doubt do it, other than that, no one knows for sure

 

[PowerOrange]

The one person i hope we keep is Jay Graham. The tailbacks are the only position that has improved as the season goes on.

 

[amazingGRACE]

I think if Dooley was "in over his head" as many of you say, we would be getting blown out instead of getting beat by 7-10. (UGA & MSU)

We had a chance to win both games and the players just didn't make plays..how exactly is that Dooley's fault? He made the adjustments at halftime necessary to win the game..I just don't see why it's all on him.

 

[PKT_VOL]

FWIW, my post was in response to someone talking about which coaching staff did a better job.

Mullen and his staff called an excellent game. They took advantage of our weaknesses and did not make mistakes.

Ok. No disagreement here.

I blame the kickoff on coaches. Conier should have prepared the players for that situation after CP scored. The formation of the field left the area between the front line and the returners wide open.

Here's the thing. How do we know it is Conier's fault?

Did the guy on the front line miss an assignment?
Why wasn't Rivera playing the ball? Meaning, eyeing the ball instead of peddling backward (which if I remember correctly he did)?

Now, I am not saying it wasn't Conier's fault. I am just saying it looked like Rivera made a really terrible play due to poor fundamentals. I guess it is something that we will never know for sure.

The other mistakes you listed, I agree, are on the players. Unfortunately, Neal and Lane went down and we had to use Devrin as the lead back. Nothing much anyone can do about that. The missed tackles were inexcusable. Bray could have played better. Not horrible, but could have been better.

Agreed.

It's just that the first half was filled with mental errors. Illegal formations, wasted timeouts, poor playcalling, poor adjustments. And that frustrates me because it seems easily avoidable and possibly cost us the game.

Wasted timeouts? At the end? If our fifth year senior could make a tackle, we would have stopped that drive with a three and out.

I thought the playcalling was fair and the adjustments at halftime were helping.

Overall, you can't blame it all on the coaches or all on the players. They both made critical errors. I belive that the players are accountable for this loss as much as anyone.

LIke I stated before, I am not asserting the coaches were perfect. I felt like they put our boys in a position to win (given the talent we had). We had unfortunate injures and players who did not make plays.

 

[wU-Tang Vol]

I think its ridiculous that Bonner and Gray aren't seeing any playing time, yet we can't cover a sheet of paper with a can of paint sometimes. At least they'll get some speed on the field and they can get some experience. JMO

 

[WallyBalls]

The one person i hope we keep is Jay Graham. The tailbacks are the only position that has improved as the season goes on.

OL has been solid.