A writers thoughts on the Tennessee/Florida match up.

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Lawrence Wright said:
I don't have acutal numbers, but I can say with 99.99995% confidence that UF does not have 77 players on its current roster rated 4 or 5 stars coming out of high school.
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They have signed 77 4-5 star kids in the classes since 2008. There would be the early departures and the 4 year lettermen out of elig. Probably closer to 65 or so.
 
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Negateer said:
9 posts in 3 years.

So who is vouching for you? 9 posts in 3 years screams of sockpuppet.
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Why would I need somebody to vouch for me? The quality of my post speaks for itself.

It has been independently verified* that my previous 8 posts were packed with so much insight and reasoning (you might think of it as "book lernins") that they were roughly the equivalent of 36,311 ordinary VolNation posts.

And I've forgotten more Tennessee football than you have ever known. Probably because Tennessee football is pretty forgettable.



*This part wasn't true. I just made that up.
 
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#129
DMichel123 said:
You're right. He was worth another 27 PI calls. At least.

Also... floydvol=Lawrence Wright, KYVolfan=Ancient Reptile, and Brooktrout=BigPapaVol... IMO, IYAM, JMO
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This is offensive. Lawrence Wright isn't half the poster that I am, and I'm far better looking. Just ask his wife.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
We barely have 65 players on scholarship now.
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That is because you are not counting the 23 from the most recent signing class that is reporting or has already reported to UF. I have actually used the UF rivals site to count these 4-5 star numbers. And you aren't naive enough to believe UF goes into a season with 65 scholly players are you? There are 67 players on your current roster, some are assuredly walk on/non scholly types. Add the 23 from the most recent class that is reportng as we type and voila! You need only look at the signed committment lists for each of the years 2008-2012 to "add" up the number of 4-5 star kids. After that, you tell me how many went pro early, or have run out of eligibilty.
The number is still a very big one, certainly in the 60's, as UF does not sign many 2-3 star kids. And I bet that all 85 schollies are indeed used.
 
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Also, I'm the version that knows that Justin Hunter was the difference in the game. It's obvious. Who doesn't know that a receiver makes a 24 point difference in a game? I mean, come on already!
 
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Brooktrout said:
Are you saying "the whole team, including the coaches, went into shock when JH went down? They lost their "whole" gameplan? You cannot be serious. If that were truly true this team has bigger issues than even I suspected. "Shock?" Is that so. And it caused them to go down 30-7? Interesting. "Shock?", did they require medical assistance?
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It was basically what Dooley and players said after and since. So yes, dead serious. Knowing there were glaring roster holes, they spent a year building the team around what Bray, DR, and JH could accomplish. Hunter is the guy who truly made all that work. He's the one guy who was a threat to score on every single play from anywhere on the field. He was the guy who was going to be doubled or pull the secondary in his direction.

But don't let statements made by people within the program or facts get in your way... you have an opinion to preserve.
 
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sjt18 said:
It was basically what Dooley and players said after and since. So yes, dead serious. Knowing there were glaring roster holes, they spent a year building the team around what Bray, DR, and JH could accomplish. Hunter is the guy who truly made all that work. He's the one guy who was a threat to score on every single play from anywhere on the field. He was the guy who was going to be doubled or pull the secondary in his direction.

But don't let statements made by people within the program or facts get in your way... you have an opinion to preserve.
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shock.
 
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floydvol said:
Also, I'm the version that knows that Justin Hunter was the difference in the game. It's obvious. Who doesn't know that a receiver makes a 24 point difference in a game? I mean, come on already!
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The absence of Hunter meant that DR saw doubles and extra coverage all day. It meant that UF could play up closer knowing that the Vols next best options could not get by their secondary. It may or may not have meant 24 pts or even one pt... but the reasonable position is that he would have changed the game to be more favorable for UT.
 
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#143
sjt18 said:
The absence of Hunter meant that DR saw doubles and extra coverage all day. It meant that UF could play up closer knowing that the Vols next best options could not get by their secondary. It may or may not have meant 24 pts or even one pt... but the reasonable position is that he would have changed the game to be more favorable for UT.
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That is a far cry from your original post. Night and day really. What made you do the 180? Oh, let me remind you of your original post which described the "shock and awe":

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"Don't forget that the whole team including the coaches went into shock when JH went down. Their whole gameplan went down the tubes in less than a second.":post-4-1090547912:

The mark of a great coach, "one great game plan built on one player". No backup plans needed or adjustments, since if the original plan does not cover everything possible, the team and coaches will go into shock. Perfectly reasonable.
 
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#144
#144
bigorange said:
do you require medical assistance?
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one can get hurt laughing so hard, than perhaps. But let me first address the symptoms of shock. An apparently common condition that the entire UT team and coaching staff suffered last Fall while playing UF. Apparently.
 
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#145
floydvol said:
Also, I'm the version that knows that Justin Hunter was the difference in the game. It's obvious. Who doesn't know that a receiver makes a 24 point difference in a game? I mean, come on already!
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I can't believe I am even on here explaining this. Rogers managed 62 yds and a TD on 5 catches while being double-teamed and/or held on every play. Rivera gained 71 and a TD with the same number of attempts. Both of their stats would have been much better had they not been the only real receiving threats on the field. Let's pretend for a second that Hunter didn't go down, but the coverage was the same. You think Hunter would have done better than Z. Rogers, Arnett, Dallas, and Milton with little to no coverage? 12 completions for what, 110 yds and no TDs? Keep the double-teams on Rogers' side, Hunter has well over 200 yds and 3-4 TDs. Move the double coverage to Hunter, Da'Rick has 200+ yds and 4-5 TDs. Single cover both of them? Both have at least 2 TDs and Rivera is most likely right there with em. Just watch the game this year to see what I'm saying.
 
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#146
DMichel123 said:
I can't believe I am even on here explaining this. Rogers managed 62 yds and a TD on 5 catches while being double-teamed and/or held on every play. Rivera gained 71 and a TD with the same number of attempts. Both of their stats would have been much better had they not been the only real receiving threats on the field. Let's pretend for a second that Hunter didn't go down, but the coverage was the same. You think Hunter would have done better than Z. Rogers, Arnett, Dallas, and Milton with little to no coverage? 12 completions for what, 110 yds and no TDs? Keep the double-teams on Rogers' side, Hunter has well over 200 yds and 3-4 TDs. Move the double coverage to Hunter, Da'Rick has 200+ yds and 4-5 TDs. Single cover both of them? Both have at least 2 TDs and Rivera is most likely right there with em. Just watch the game this year to see what I'm saying.
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Plus hunter would have probably helped the D from giving up 33 points. At the very least the entire team and staff would not have been diagnosed as being in shock.
 
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Brooktrout said:
Plus hunter would have probably helped the D from giving up 33 points. At the very least the entire team and staff would not have been diagnosed as being in shock.
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Yep. They would have been on the field less. They would have had more energy. The offense would have scored more than 33 anyway. Watch the replay of the game. I still remember the look on Bray's face when Hunter didn't get up immediately. He was "schocked".
 
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#150
Though I should really know better than to debate with a guy like you....
Brooktrout said:
But it needs to repeated.

"Fans always are overly optimistic. They underestimate the opponents and overestimate their team. Case in point, take UF this year, many Vol fans feel secure in a victory vs UF this year and talk about UF like they are "broke". Here are their past 3 classes as far as the talent pool they have to work with:

4: 5 Star DT's
3: 4 Star DT's

4: 5 Star DE's
3: 4 Star DE's

3: 5 Star DB's
9: 4 Star DB's

3: 5 Star LB's
4: 4 Star LB's

2: 5 Star OL
8: 4 Star OL

1: 5 Star WR"s
8: 4 Star WR'S

4: 4 Star TE's
6: 4 Star RB's
3: 4 Star QB's
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Honest question. Did you look at anything other than the signing classes? How many of these guys were busts? How many are gone? How many changed positions?

But the most important questions... how many can UF put on the field at once? AND, how do those players match up to the UT players they'll be facing?

That is about 65 4 and 5 star kids in just the past 3 classes. Add in the ones still on the roster from 4 classes ago and the number goes to 79. In short, UF has very very few on their 85 man roster that are not a 4 or 5 star caliber player.
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In short... you just looked at the classes, right?

Sure those are just rankings. But they are also indicators of overall team talent as you know.
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Indicators, yes. OTOH, the big 3 from FL will more than likely always have highly rated classes. Some of that is politics. There is an expectation that if one of those schools signs a player then he's better. Just the way it is. FSU during the same period of time has gotten as much or more love from Rivals. They've been very good but not world beaters. It is very reasonable to conjecture that they would have been mid-pack in the SEC.

UT has approximately 40% of it's roster that was a 4 or 5 star player, around 33. 79 is a bigger number than 33 obviously. Just pointing this out for those that dismiss UF.
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I haven't dismissed UF. I have simply said that if Dooley can coach he should beat them this year. You are putting ALOT of faith in the subjective opinions of guys who get paid by readers that historically have NOT held it against them for being wrong. Each year there will be at least as many 3* players who were deserving of better as there are 4/5* players total.

Since roughly half of the guys who get 4/5* will not live up to billing... that means in any given year about 2/3's of the guys who should have been given those rankings got 3* or less. This is based mostly off of NFL draft observations.

Yeah they have big questions at QB. They do have very talented OL and WR's as well as TE's on the roster and 6 4star RB's.
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They have talent on the OL that much like UT last year could not get push. They just happened to have two guys who could out run everyone if the OL could hold their blocks for a half count. Gillislee who looks to be their best returning RB is not proven by any stretch.

They have a very good receiving TE. Burton is a handful. Their WR's may have talent... but that talent hasn't translated into anything yet. Their top 3 have done absolutely nothing to demonstrate that they are close to being in DR/JH class.

They are just plain sick on D, talent wise. Look at those DL numbers. UF will be one of the best D's in the SEC this year."
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No one said they didn't have talent. No doubt they'll have a very good D... and their secondary still does not match up well with UT's passing game.

Yes they do. Period. Oh and btw, UF secondary gave up 166 passing yards per game last year. UT gave up 177 yards per game. As for total D, UF gave up 299 ypg while UT gave up 341 ypg. Go to Official Site of the Southeastern Conference if you need to freshen up on your stats.
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No thanks. cfbstats.com gives you ways to get inside the stats.... like giving numbers vs the SEC. When you begin to get inside the numbers just a little, the disparity between UT's "bad" D and UF's "great" D isn't as much as the hype or the "talent level" (recruit rankings) indicate that it should be.

Another meaningful fact... UT played five of the top 6 offenses in the SEC while UF played 4. That 4 did not include Arkansas.

UF was 8th vs the SEC in pass D (you need to brush up on reading). UT was 5th vs the SEC. Both were top 6 passing O's. UT played 3 of the other 4 including Ark. UF played 2 of the other 4... not including Ark. Arkansas avg'd 300 ypg- almost 60 more than UGA (2nd) and UT (3rd).

Full stats for entire year, including bowl games and OOC games.

PASS DEFENSE...
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So let me make sure I am completely clear. You base the idea that UF is immensely more talented on D and more effective vs the pass on having avg'd allowing 10 less ypg? You do that after UT had to experiment all year in an attempt to replace JJ and Brewer?

As for total D...Versus the SEC, UF allowed 338 ypg. UT allowed 356 ypg. Considering this massive talent gap you say exists AND the fact that UF played Aub rather than Ark (338 ypg vs 438 ypg)... The difference should have been MUCH larger.
 
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