Barnhart: Vols on right track says Dooley

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vol2013 said:
A lot of that decision could also depend on how in demand Kirby Smart is next offseason. If Smart is really Hart's guy as people like LWSVol if we are just bowl eligible with a decent team and other teams are seriously making a run at Smart I don't see Hart just watching it happen
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That's possible too, but I think that takes us being healthy and sucking it up for it to really happen. If we are injury bitten again, then I can't call for firing Dooley. I really hope that we can legitimately grade him this year on the job he has done so far, and that's really only possible if the team is healthy. If the big 3 stay healthy on offense all year, then he has to win 8 games to be here in '13. If not, then how do you grade a coach that can't seem to play with a full deck of cards?? That's where Hart makes the big bucks, and I'm a UT fan no matter who we hire.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
That's possible too, but I think that takes us being healthy and sucking it up for it to really happen. If we are injury bitten again, then I can't call for firing Dooley. I really hope that we can legitimately grade him this year on the job he has done so far, and that's really only possible if the team is healthy. If the big 3 stay healthy on offense all year, then he has to win 8 games to be here in '13. If not, then how do you grade a coach that can't seem to play with a full deck of cards?? That's where Hart makes the big bucks, and I'm a UT fan no matter who we hire.
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I would say someone put a curse on him in his time in Louisiana.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
That's possible too, but I think that takes us being healthy and sucking it up for it to really happen. If we are injury bitten again, then I can't call for firing Dooley. I really hope that we can legitimately grade him this year on the job he has done so far, and that's really only possible if the team is healthy. If the big 3 stay healthy on offense all year, then he has to win 8 games to be here in '13. If not, then how do you grade a coach that can't seem to play with a full deck of cards?? That's where Hart makes the big bucks, and I'm a UT fan no matter who we hire.
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At this point, here's where I am:

If the big three stay healthy, he has to win 8 games.

If the big three don't stay healthy, he's obviously victim of a gypsy curse and should be far away from the Tennessee program.
 
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sjt18 said:
Dead serious. Only an idiot makes conclusions before having enough facts to base one on. Dooley may be horrible. He may be a good coach. Neither his time at LT or his 1st two years at UT provide enough of a "normal" test to prove his value as a coach. You can make ignorant assumptions all you like. He has neither proven nor disproven that he can coach.

Unfortunately though... I never saw your Kiffin love before recently. That explains alot.
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So your talking about how much time we need to pass judgement on Dooley but you've already written Kiffin off?
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
I think our win plateau is 8 wins, and that will take some bounces, breaks, and a healthy team to get to. I consider 8 wins to be a successful season, 7 wins to be the mark he really needs to hit, and 6 wins is possible if we have key injuries. If he doesn't hit 6 and have a shot at a bowl, he's gone. I can't see a way he is around with less that 6 wins.
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I have to disagree.. I consider 8 wins barely successful.. Also, if he doesn't get at least 8 wins with a bowl win he is gone IMO.. If he is any kind of coach at all this is doable.. Granted, Dooley is no Saban but ask yourself what Saban would/could do with our current roster..

If he does end up being let go after this year we will be in infinitely better shape then when he took over.. The next guy should be in pretty good shape...
 
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justingroves said:
5 years coaching, one season over .500 kind of speaks for itself.
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Does it? Can you separate wins and losses from the conditions of the programs he agreed to coach? LT was one of the most hapless programs in college football. UT could not have been much worse.

I don't "love" Kiffin. I don't care if he gets hit by a bus tomorrow. I did enjoy having a staff that was proven as either great recruiters or great coaches or both (David Reaves being the exception).
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So Dooley going 5-7 with a team that had only one Sr get drafted and as it looks at the moment no more than two Jrs... But Kiffin was a "great" coach for going 7-5 with these guys in the Jr/Sr classes: Stocker, Hardesty, Moore, Jones, Richard, McClendon, Scott, D Williams, Rogan, McCoy, and... Eric Berry?

Or maybe he is a great recruiter because of that terrific 09 class?
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
If Dooley doesn't at least produce a competitive team, especially given the fact he has rebuilt the depth to that of a mid-level SEC team, then by the Vandy/KY games it will be interesting to see how the team finishes. If it finishes in the same fashion as it did last season, he's gone no question. If we win the last 2 games and are bowl eligible with a decent team, he will get one more year to get to at least 9 wins. If he can't get to 9 wins after having 4 years to rebuild this team, especially given the league he's in, he's not ever going to do it.
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I actually think the roster is better than you do. The schedule is the best he's had. If he's the guy then he'll win 9 this fall. Eight or probably even 7 will save his job... but he won't be "the guy".
 
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Incipient said:
At this point, here's where I am:

If the big three stay healthy, he has to win 8 games.

If the big three don't stay healthy, he's obviously victim of a gypsy curse and should be far away from the Tennessee program.
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LOL. I'd say he should win 9 but agree completely with the last part.
 
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tvolsfan said:
So your talking about how much time we need to pass judgement on Dooley but you've already written Kiffin off?
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No. Not really. I think Kiffin is overrated by many as both a coach and recruiter but he may still be successful. Of course USC isn't exactly the most difficult place to be successful.

I think Kiffin is a very, very good offensive coach. I think he's a great salesman (used car variety). He's a very accomplished liar (that can be just as useful as anything else in recruiting). I am not sure he is or ever was a "great" head coach. His 09 class at UT is a big part of the recent struggles. Granted he shared that class with Fulmer but he bears part of the blame. Four of the 12 players who committed to him in '10 are gone. Simms was never a good QB. The jury is out on Palardy and Pair.

Whether Dooley is any good or not has nothing to do with Kiffin though... except that without Kiffin, Dooley probably never coaches at UT.
 
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sjt18 said:
No. Not really. I think Kiffin is overrated but he may still be successful. Of course USC isn't exactly the most difficult place to be successful.

I think Kiffin is a very, very good offensive coach. I think he's a great salesman (used car variety). He's a very accomplished liar (that can be just as useful as anything else in recruiting). I am not sure he is or ever was a "great" head coach.

Whether Dooley is any good or not has nothing to do with Kiffin though... except that without Kiffin, Dooley probably never coaches at UT.
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IMO head coaching position is overrated. There are a handful of guys who can carry a team.

Many more are either bad coaches getting carried by their assistants (Miles, Dan Hawkins @ Boise State) or they recognize that a strong support staff will take them a lot further than anything they do on their own (Kiffin, & Carrol).
 
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sjt18 said:
No. Not really. I think Kiffin is overrated by many as both a coach and recruiter but he may still be successful. Of course USC isn't exactly the most difficult place to be successful.

I think Kiffin is a very, very good offensive coach. I think he's a great salesman (used car variety). He's a very accomplished liar (that can be just as useful as anything else in recruiting). I am not sure he is or ever was a "great" head coach. His 09 class at UT is a big part of the recent struggles. Granted he shared that class with Fulmer but he bears part of the blame. Four of the 12 players who committed to him in '10 are gone. Simms was never a good QB. The jury is out on Palardy and Pair.

Whether Dooley is any good or not has nothing to do with Kiffin though... except that without Kiffin, Dooley probably never coaches at UT.
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So why is it reasonable that you have passed judgement on one coach after 3 years (in college), but you seem sure it's to early to pass judgement on another coach after 5 years?
 
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I think CDD has always tried to be honest about our team but he attempts to be a bit optomistic for this coming season more than he ever has.

When he said we weren't a very good team he meant it and he was correct.

When he says this coming season is the 1st season that he thinks we have more experienced, mature and better players and depth at most positions he believes it.

This is the 1st year CDD has said he thinks we can compete better in the SEC and I think he believes that.

When CDD is asked a question and he says our team isn't very good and that's the TRUTH then I consider that being honest rather than throwing the team under the buss like so many around here like to interpret it.

There's nothing wrong with being truthful and honest and I appreciate him being that way.

I wouldn't respect him at all if he always attempted to pump sunshine up our butts and acted like our fanbase was a bunch of total morons that know nothing about college football and how long it takes to totally rebuild a program.

It doesn't matter what he says or how he says it because CDD will always have people that just hate on him and wish our Vols would lose just to get a new HC and that's NOT how a real fan acts but trolls sure do.

VFL...GBO!!!
 
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A fair assessment of where things stand in that article. Hopefully we can turn it around and get some quality wins next season.
 
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Titan&Volfan4life said:
I wouldn't respect him at all if he always attempted to pump sunshine up our butts and acted like our fanbase was a bunch of total morons that know nothing about college football and how long it takes to totally rebuild a program.
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Judging from some of the posts on VN, some of our fans ARE total morons.
 
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WesternKyVol said:
Said it about two months ago abut recruiting:

"I think what has happened now is the social media has allowed more fodder for negativity if you will. It's giving people more ammunition. When people get on (Tennessee) websites and they type stuff all you are doing is giving the other schools information to go attack our players. I have made the comment before. If you truly love Tennessee like most people say, you would not be negative publicly. Everyone is going to have concerns with the program. Those concerns should be addressed with the coaches, the AD, or amongst your friends. But the more public you get about Tennessee, the more it hurts the program.

"If you truly love Tennessee you would not be negative publicly."
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Guess that's all a matter of interpretation. Don't see that as calling fandom in question. I see that as a person telling the fans the repercussions of their actions and asking for support.
 
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sjt18 said:
Dead serious. Only an idiot makes conclusions before having enough facts to base one on. Dooley may be horrible. He may be a good coach. Neither his time at LT or his 1st two years at UT provide enough of a "normal" test to prove his value as a coach. You can make ignorant assumptions all you like. He has neither proven nor disproven that he can coach.

Unfortunately though... I never saw your Kiffin love before recently. That explains alot.
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In before:

"Bad analogy...."
 
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I like these threads...I can ignore like 15 new people from each one..like roach motels
 
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justingroves said:
5 years is plenty of tome to judge a coach
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Bad analogy...

...considering that you are so prone to divorce results from circumstances.

To be clear, my opinion is that Dooley's true coaching ability will be proven when he coaches a program that is not in a complete rebuild. He may be great. He may be a complete failure. The time is very near for gthat judgment to be made.
 
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