Penn State scandal (merged)

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volberry said:
Ditto. I thought this since all the details came out.
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There is/will be all type of rumors coming out of the PSU mess. Some rumors having legs have to do with Sandusky offering up some of the troubled children to well heeled supporters. All kind of rumors involve the disappearing DA. And of course, The GA now being assistant coach and head of recruiting has to be related to keeping his mouth shut about what he saw. In a related vein, that McQueery still has his job so as to keep the lid on even more damning evidence. Like I said, all kinds of rumors out there.
 
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alumvol08 said:
So your point was that he was familiar with child rape but not pedophilia so it's okay that he didn't report it to the police? Brilliant.
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I have to laugh at your use of the phase "familiar with" because if you know what pedophilia and child rape are, does that mean you are "familiar with it?" lol
 
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therealUT said:
@DrunkJohnny:

If Paterno knew that Sandusky admitted to the 1998 incident, then Paterno should have done everything in his power to keep Sandusky from ever stepping foot back on campus. If Paterno knew that Sandusky was investigated in 1998 and that the charges were dropped, then I do not think he has an obligation to keep Sandusky off the premises even after the 2002 incident, if he reported it to the AD with the expectation (which I see as reasonable) that the AD would investigate.

Some on here think that Paterno has a moral duty to follow up on the investigation; I do not. I think one can reasonable assume that when a person in an authority position says that they will do something, that they will do it. I think it is reasonable to assume that Paterno thought that Curley and Schultz were telling him the truth, and that an investigation was taking place. Paterno, as someone who was not a witness to the event, would not, as I see it, have to be involved in the investigation. Therefore, he could reasonably not know whether or not an investigation was happening, unless he then asked Sandusky if Sandusky had been questioned (I am not even sure if that would be legal), the same can be said with regard to McQueary.

Some individuals are naturally curious and would follow up just to see how the investigation is going; some individuals are not curious, yet have trust that the system works and that their superiors are honest individuals.

Without the details of exactly what Paterno knew and when he knew it, I do not see grounds to crucify him. I hope there is a civil case against Paterno so that these questions will have answers.
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At the very least, Paterno had to know the seriousness and the details of the charges after he testified to the grand jury. I'm fairly certain he testified almost a year ago. Paterno still chose NOT to try and keep Sandusky off the campus. The ass raper was still on campus as recently as last week.
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Sorry to get off-topic:

Darwinism's argument might be the single dumbest argument I have read on any message board, ever. I feel that this feat should not go unrecognized.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
I'd just like to point out that you are offering up, as a legitmate reason for why Paterno didn't follow up on a second accusation of pedophila in by one of his coaches, that he might not have been "curious" about it.

This isn't Philosophy 202. This is a child being raped in the ass. If you don't think that Paterno had any moral duty in that situation, then you're halfway to being a monster yourself.
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alumvol08 said:
I, and the dictionary, would say yes.
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Just for those that haven't been following along, Darwindumbass is claiming that Paterno didn't realize that ass raping kids was wrong because he wasn't "familiar" with pedophilia. Yep, you read that right.
 
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bamawriter said:
Sorry to get off-topic:

Darwinism's argument might be the single dumbest argument I have read on any message board, ever. I feel that this feat should not go unrecognized.
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Which one? He likes to change his position and "context" when he gets absolutely destroyed.
 
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NWGVol said:
At the very least, Paterno had to know the seriousness and the details of the charges after he testified to the grand jury. I'm fairly certain he testified almost a year ago. Paterno still chose NOT to try and keep Sandusky off the campus. The ass raper was still on campus as recently as last week.
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An excellent post that cannot be stressed enough. Regardless of what your feelings are about Paterno and what he knew in 2002, there is no excuse for allowing this child molester to continue to use campus facilities since testifying before the grand jury.
 
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NWGVol said:
At the very least, Paterno had to know the seriousness and the details of the charges after he testified to the grand jury. I'm fairly certain he testified almost a year ago. Paterno still chose NOT to try and keep Sandusky off the campus. The ass raper was still on campus as recently as last week.
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This is a pretty solid indictment against Paterno (also a solid indictment against the entire justice system in the area). If the Grand Jury testimony was given over a year ago, Sandusky should have been behind bars since then and definitely should not have been on PSU's campus.

Can you provide specifics on this?
 
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therealUT said:
This is a pretty solid indictment against Paterno (also a solid indictment against the entire justice system in the area). If the Grand Jury testimony was given over a year ago, Sandusky should have been behind bars since then and definitely should not have been on PSU's campus.

Can you provide specifics on this?
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There are numerous media reports of Sandusky working out on campus last week.
 
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I wouldn't mind his firing if McQuiry(sp?) was fired too. It was more his moral obligation than Joe Pa's. It'd be tough for joe pa to file a complaint to police when he never saw anything. Why is joe pa held to a higher moral standard than the witness? Please tell me that.
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Lulu said:
This is a serious question, not me being sarcastic. Do you believe that Paterno had no knowledge of any inappropriate behavior on the part of Sandusky?
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OK well fair enough. First off I've never made that statement. Understand you are asking a question but I've never said Paterno wasn't aware of certain elements of Sandusky's behavior.

Now, do I think Paterno may have had some doubts about all this in 1998.... yes. The DA dropped the charges and even though I think there was a bigger conspiracy and cover up I believe at that point in time it may be that Paterno simply didn't believe it could be true. Pure speculation on my part as none of this has been explored in testimony.

Now we get to 2002 and the reality of this situation begins to surface, Paterno held a meeting with the AD to report what he was told so at this point you cant really say he had "no knowledge" which again I never said. I'm guessing that if Paterno was actually able to process all this information, that he felt like he was doing the right thing reporting it to the administration and completely washed his hands of the whole mess.

Technically he did what was required and I dont want to get into a debate about ethics, morality, or what anybody on this board says they would do because they dont know and its all speculation. What will hang JP is lying to the Grand Jury, and I have already stated that he may have misrepresented or mislabeled what he knew, and in his feeble state of mind (opinion, not stating that as a fact) its entirely plausible that he didn't recollect all the details or even really understand what he was testifying too.
 
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therealUT said:
This is a pretty solid indictment against Paterno (also a solid indictment against the entire justice system in the area). If the Grand Jury testimony was given over a year ago, Sandusky should have been behind bars since then and definitely should not have been on PSU's campus.

Can you provide specifics on this?
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I will try to find the link again. Driving home now, will post later.
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Vercingetorix said:
I'd just like to point out that you are offering up, as a legitmate reason for why Paterno didn't follow up on a second accusation of pedophila in by one of his coaches, that he might not have been "curious" about it.

This isn't Philosophy 202. This is a child being raped in the ass. If you don't think that Paterno had any moral duty in that situation, then you're past halfway to being a monster yourself.
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Fixed for accuracy.
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MontereyVol said:
Around 18 months ago.
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Thanks.

If Paterno had the power to keep Sandusky off campus for the past 18 months, it is despicable that he did not.

In light of that information, I have to lean to the side that says Paterno has not been acting morally upright for at least the past 18 months.
 
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You people are hanging him in a public court yard when he:
A) never committed a crime
B) never witnessed a crime
C) reported it to his superior


What gives?
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#3,199
Sounds like a couple of nambla members on here trying to get their point across!
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