Penn State scandal (merged)

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Vols520 said:
I believe the mom was more upset at the ga than Paterno. He is the witness.
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Because the GA went and ran to daddy before he went to Paterno about it. He did nothing to stop it. He walked in on a bent over 10 year old boy being molested by Sandusky and he did nothing to stop it? Pathetic. He was worried about his job? Yeah because no one else would hire the guy that put a stop to that.
Everyone had a vested interest in making sure this never came to light and that worked for a while. Now it is Judgment Day for them.
 
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It makes me wonder who had more power at PSU, Paterno or the President of the University.
On paper, it's the president. But I tend to believe Paterno could get the President replaced with the influence he had at PSU.
It will come out how much Paterno influenced the President's decision.
 
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There's one coach on staff who accused a former coach of assraping a child in the locker room. Both of them are apparently walking around the football facilities all the time. What kind of organization does that happen in?

I don't care how much anyone wants to pretend that Paterno had his head in the sand about it. McQueary saw Sandusky. Sandusky saw McQueary. And yet they were both together for the next decade, part of the same football program. That's screwed up. That's the organization our Great Man was running.
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oklavol said:
It makes me wonder who had more power at PSU, Paterno or the President of the University.
On paper, it's the president. But I tend to believe Paterno could get the President fired with the enormous influence he had at PSU.
It will come out how much Paterno influenced the President's decision to not report it.
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Quality post, oklavol. I've felt this way the whole time. I think there's an excellent chance that this "protocol" was useless because Paterno wields more power in that athletic department than anyone.
 
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GreveHaller said:
great career for sure but before you laud him do some research on what he thought about the University of Tennessee.
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Yep, I read a quote somewhere, that before the UT/ PSU match up in 1971 or 72 correct me if I'm wrong he said we're gonna go down there and show those southern boys how to play football.
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oklavol said:
It makes me wonder who had more power at PSU, Paterno or the President of the University.
On paper, it's the president. But I tend to believe Paterno could get the President replaced with the enormous influence he had at PSU.
It will come out how much Paterno influenced the President's decision to not report it.
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All top notch coaches have more power than the Pres. Look how Tressel ran OSU. Evryone know this is how it happens in the sports world. look how long it took them to get the ducks in a row to fire Fulmer. It took years!!! Paterno ran the show up there.
 
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He just needs to go. What does he think a 10 win season will make PSU look good? PSU should get all the negative publicity they can for years off this.
 
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I will put it this way

What if Paterno was an officer and he did not report that his partner, Sandusky, molested a kid and never said anything about it?

How would you feel then?

Would you?

1) Believe he did no wrong

or

2) be saying its just the crooked police again covering up for each other
 
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Vercingetorix said:
There's one coach on staff who accused a former coach of assraping a child in the locker room. Both of them are apparently walking around the football facilities all the time. What kind of organization does that happen in?

I don't care how much anyone wants to pretend that Paterno had his head in the sand about it. McQueary saw Sandusky. Sandusky saw McQueary. And yet they were both together for the next decade, part of the same football program. That's screwed up. That's the organization our Great Man was running.
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That's why the whole organization needs to be disband yesterday.
 
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ItsDarwinism said:
Go find the post where I said I accepted or condoned what happened. You can post it right here. Or I could save you some time and just tell you that YOU WONT FIND IT!
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maybe not, but your silliness about being one of the few using reason here was absurd. Plenty people have read the release from the grand jury and it's stretches far beyond the bounds of reason to give anyone involved the benefit of the doubt.
 
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How do you not follow up on something like that? Like i said selfish, hypocritical. Hindsight? Really Joe? I guess anal rape in the showers just wasn't worth the time.
 
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CountVolcula said:
I will put it this way

What if Paterno was an officer and he did not report that his partner, Sandusky, molested a kid and never said anything about it?

How would you feel then?

Would you?

1) Believe he did no wrong

or

2) be saying its just the crooked police again covering up for each other
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Well this isn't appropriate. Cuz he reported it.
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For those of piling on, had this not come out, would you argue against Paterno being a pretty good guy?

Or is all this name calling and verbal/typed abuse long stemmed hatred towards a 1000year old football coach that started under the Truman Administration?

Just clarifying.
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therealUT said:
Two things:

Why do you assume that Paterno trusted the GA?

Why is Paterno at fault for reporting to the AD who then reported it to Shultz (who oversaw the Penn State Police Department)?

The AD and Shultz are the ones who lied about this and never moved forward, respectively.
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either Sandusky or the GA had to be lying about the 2002 incident.

How does Paterno keep the GA around if he didn't think there was merit to the event he described?

How did Paterno allow Sandusky to continue to be around the program if he believed the GAs story?

I don't think it's too far fetched to conclude that there was a cover up by the whole bunch, including Paterno. That's not the quality of a great man.
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CountVolcula said:
I will put it this way

What if Paterno was an officer and he did not report that his partner, Sandusky, molested a kid and never said anything about it?

How would you feel then?

Would you?

1) Believe he did no wrong

or

2) be saying its just the crooked police again covering up for each other
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Why are you defending Paterno?
 
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It will all come out in the courtroom of what was said and how it was handled etc. Great coach, great career, but that's about all you can say now. Im tired of hearing about it.
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TXA&M07 said:
For those of piling on, had this not come out, would you argue against Paterno being a pretty good guy?

Or is all this name calling and verbal/typed abuse long stemmed hatred towards a 1000year old football coach that started under the Truman Administration?

Just clarifying.
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Do you have children?
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As long and filthy as that report was, i'd say the GA saw what he saw. Still should have called the cops right then and left a large welp on the side of Sandusky's head. Inexcusable to leave like he did. If i were Paterno i would have fired the GA the minute he told me for not kicking Sandusky's ass or at the very least call the police.
 
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TXA&M07 said:
For those of piling on, had this not come out, would you argue against Paterno being a pretty good guy?

Or is all this name calling and verbal/typed abuse long stemmed hatred towards a 1000year old football coach that started under the Truman Administration?

Just clarifying.
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I'd say him failing to notify the authorities that his buddy, the serial child ass raper, was caught raping a kid in the shower might possibly be a reason people are upset. Couple that with the fact that he continued to let the raper use the facility to rape tons more kids, and I think that might be what some are taking issue with. Just clarifying.
 
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Vols520 said:
Well this isn't appropriate. Cuz he reported it.
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Regardless of him reporting it, he did not follow up. He still allowed him to be on campus, in the facilities, work with young kids at camps on campus

In my eyes, thats as good as condoning the activity itself.

That would be like me continuing to associate myself, being an officer, with people who are known felons, drug dealers, or such.

You cant turn a blind eye to such activity. Its moral corruption at its worst
 
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CountVolcula said:
How do you get that I'm defending him out of that?

I think he is as guilty for not reporting it and following through with the authorities once he realized the others were going to turn a blind eye to the situation.
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Oops. Quoted the wrong post. My bad.
 
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