The "Occupy" Rallies

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#151
volinbham said:
I still think the Durbin rant on the Senate floor targeting a single company (BoA) because of a fee they added is highly disturbing. Highly inappropriate.
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even more disturbing since I heard the audience response was largely silence
 
#152
#152
lawgator1 said:
Some of you dismiss the protestors as simply lazy. Like Cain does.

But they aren't protesting because they are lazy. They have no problem with people getting rich through hard work and smart investing.

What makes them mad is the perception that Wall Street is rigged. That they can;t get in and that the folks at the top have coopted politicians to keep it that way.

40-year low in America's view of Wall Street - CNN.com
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I disagree completely with the bolded above - listen to the comments.
 
#153
#153
Rasputin_Vol said:
I'm not really sure how I would have responded if I was in the audience, to be honest.

What would have been the proper response?
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Proper or expected?

Proper would be to be silent. I wouldn't deride him for thinking what he thinks, that's his right. But like I say, he's going along with the GOP talking points of criticizing these folks and I think that comes from a serious misunderstanding of where they are coming from and an even more serious miscalculation of how large the mass of people is that agrees with the protestors.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Some of you dismiss the protestors as simply lazy. Like Cain does.

But they aren't protesting because they are lazy. They have no problem with people getting rich through hard work and smart investing.

What makes them mad is the perception that Wall Street is rigged. That they can;t get in and that the folks at the top have coopted politicians to keep it that way.

40-year low in America's view of Wall Street - CNN.com
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It's not surprising that people have a negative view of Wall Street. I have a negative view of Wall Street.

But again, these protestors ONLY have grievances but do not have ends to go along with them.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Read the article I posted.

It explains what you think you are hearing.
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The magical article?

I've read numerous articles, listened to numerous interviews. The group is all over the place but plenty are completely anti-capitalist (which goes against the statement I highlighted). Many are semi-okay with capitalism so long as it has a major dose of wealth redistribution thrown in. A few are only against crony capitalism but are otherwise free-market believers.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Proper or expected?

Proper would be to be silent. I wouldn't deride him for thinking what he thinks, that's his right. But like I say, he's going along with the GOP talking points of criticizing these folks and I think that comes from a serious misunderstanding of where they are coming from and an even more serious miscalculation of how large the mass of people is that agrees with the protestors.
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Funny, I don't remember any of this "let's really understand what they are about" and "it's dangerous to criticize them" talk from you about the TP. In fact, I remember you completely generalizing and marginalizing them while leading the criticism parade.
 
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volinbham said:
Funny, I don't remember any of this "let's really understand what they are about" and "it's dangerous to criticize them" talk from you about the TP. In fact, I remember you completely generalizing and marginalizing them while leading the criticism parade.
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Exactly . . . Frankly, I think there are a number of whackjobs in both groups, but it's funny how the one with a stated cause gets dismissed while the one that's all over the board is supposed to be some sort of cultural movement.
 
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#160
Another core-contradiction is conflating "have; have-nots" with "99%ers". It's ludicrous to say 99% are have nots. Hell, at best 14-15% or so are have-nots (using poverty statistics) and we can even debate that.

These people who have "x" in student loans but can't find a job are not have-nots. They made it to and through college. I don't doubt times can be tough for some but there's plenty of "haves" in the group that are protesting.
 
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volinbham said:
Another core-contradiction is conflating "have; have-nots" with "99%ers". It's ludicrous to say 99% are have nots. Hell, at best 14-15% or so are have-nots (using poverty statistics) and we can even debate that.
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I think 99% covers all people up to 550k per year. How many Wall Street bankers being protested are also part of the "99%"?
 
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volinbham said:
These people who have "x" in student loans but can't find a job are not have-nots. They made it to and through college. I don't doubt times can be tough for some but there's plenty of "haves" in the group that are protesting.
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Times are tough especially on the people that chose (operative word) to major in non-technical or skills-based majors. An English literature major cant find a job? Color mr surprised.
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#163
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volinbham said:
Funny, I don't remember any of this "let's really understand what they are about" and "it's dangerous to criticize them" talk from you about the TP. In fact, I remember you completely generalizing and marginalizing them while leading the criticism parade.
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U missed the disclaimer about being pro govt
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50rpJ7EQWuI&feature=channel_video_title[/youtube]
 
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Cartervol said:
They should all move to France, that should fix it.
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Why would that fix it? A lot of people are there because they prefer small government and are protesting the socialistic bailouts of wall street. Going to France does nothing for them.
 
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bamawriter said:
Then they should be at a Tea Party rally instead.
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Interesting point, because I think a lot of Tea Party people also think that the banking and corporate execs were unreasonably bailed out by the federal government and so have that sentiment in common with the WS protestors.

Must cause them some concern when their TP darlings, in Cain and Cantor, just blow them off.
 
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#170
#170
lawgator1 said:
Interesting point, because I think a lot of Tea Party people also think that the banking and corporate execs were unreasonably bailed out by the federal government and so have that sentiment in common with the WS protestors.
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But it really doesn't matter if the grievance is the same if the preferred ends are different.

Say my neighbor and I both don't like people parking on the street in front of our homes. We agree on the grievance. My solution is to take it to the HOA and have a rule made to ban parking on the street. My neighbor's solution is to stuff a flaming rag into the gas tank of every car parked on the street.
 
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#171
From CNN's article today:

"We're here for different reasons," said Vincent, whose father is also unemployed and recently went through a home foreclosure. "But at the end of the day, it all boils down to one thing, and that's accountability. We want accountability for the connection between Wall Street and the politicians."


"Something has to change," he told CNN. "We're out here because we're tired of what's been going on."


Giles Clarke, a 46-year-old freelance photographer and father of two, echoes Vincent's call for greater accountability.


"People have simply had enough," Clarke said. "We're living in an age where the inequality between high-end Wall Street and the (rest of us) is simply a gap that has become too big. Millions of people have lost their jobs. Millions of people have lost their homes."


There's been, Clarke said, "way too much cloak-and-dagger activity within the corridors of Wall Street" in recent years. "This is about raising awareness and a change of political discourse."


The average person, according to Vincent, "is just fed up because there's no more middle class. The margin between us and the employers is so great now. Where will we be in a couple of years?
 
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#172
Again, LG, that is a list of supposed grievances, none of which are followed by a preferred solution.
 
#173
#173
what a load of crap talking points. Those same people couldn't begin to explain their reasons in detail or why things happened. They just want to blame someone for their predicament and they were told the rich were behind it.

Of course it's rarely mentioned what these people have a degree in/are studying or what job they lost.

lawgator1 said:
The average person, according to Vincent, "is just fed up because there's no more middle class. The margin between us and the employers is so great now. Where will we be in a couple of years?
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I'm an average, middle-class person and don't believe anything he's saying. He should learn to use "I" instead of "we"
 
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#174
Oh the irony. Demanding accountability because the bank foreclosed on a home?
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#175
#175
You guys still think rich people create jobs? Just wondering. (PS - it's actually demand. If the workers don't have the money to buy products or services, then the demand for product goes down and so do the jobs.)
 
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