House leadership playing chicken again ....

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How is it the house playing chicken? Can you play chicken by yourself? Consider, both sides want to fund disaster relief. One group wants to tie in cuts to a worthless program, the other side does not. How is it compromise if the group that does not want the cuts insists that the other side must pass the funding without any cuts? Isn't it the opposite of compromise to insist that the other side make all the concessions?

Now, don't get me wrong. I am not a fan of compromise. If you are right and you know it, to compromise is just plain stupid. There is a time and place to compromise, but there is also a time to stick to your guns.
 
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The House is doing great. What are they at now, 13-15% approval. Heck, they keep up all the hard work they should be able to break single digets by Jan 01.
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Gramps said:
The House is doing great. What are they at now, 13-15% approval. Heck, they keep up all the hard work they should be able to break single digets by Jan 01.
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the house has been in the low teens for years. Pelosi's leadership really tanked it's ratings.
 
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MG1968 said:
the house has been in the low teens for years. Pelosi's leadership really tanked it's ratings.
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Pelosi was a bad leader, however she is not the reason the GOP controlled house continues to tank in polls. Seems fair to
say Boehner and Company has something to do with low poll numbers.
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I walk away from here and come back to see my statement of 50 mini countries somehow get equated to racism ...

what the holy hell?

are you really that stupid LG? The 50 mini countries is all about the lack of faith in centralized government and nothing else.

How the same hell you idiot do you find race is that comment?
 
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GAVol said:
I must be a supreme moron. I've become quite adept at ignoring Neocon.
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does that mean I can go on a war path that would make Sherman's march look like a tea party and you'll never notice???


:)
 
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NEOCON said:
I walk away from here and come back to see my statement of 50 mini countries somehow get equated to racism ...

what the holy hell?

are you really that stupid LG? The 50 mini countries is all about the lack of faith in centralized government and nothing else.

How the same hell you idiot do you find race is that comment?
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Pretty obvious, really.
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lawgator1 said:
Pretty obvious, really.
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It's not at all obvious - I assumed he meant each state would be a mini-country. I live in Alabama; it becoming it's own country wouldn't mean less of any particular race. Same for Florida, it would still have substantial AA and hispanic populations. In fact, Florida would be more racially diverse than the countries of Idaho, Iowa, N Dakota etc.
 
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volinbham said:
It's not at all obvious - I assumed he meant each state would be a mini-country. I live in Alabama; it becoming it's own country wouldn't mean less of any particular race. Same for Florida, it would still have substantial AA and hispanic populations. In fact, Florida would be more racially diverse than the countries of Idaho, Iowa, N Dakota etc.
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Exactly the point. I read his comment to be that if certain states didn't have to answer to the federal government they could handle people and issues as they saw fit. Classic separatism.
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One key sticking point is that the House bill requires that the $1 billion in immediate disaster funding be offset with $1.5 billion in cuts to a loan program that helps automakers retool their operations to make more fuel-efficient cars. Another $100 million would be cut from an alternative energy loan program that provided funding for the solar panel firm Solyndra, a company that declared bankruptcy late last month despite receiving a $535 million federal guarantee in 2009.
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$1 billion... $100 million...I mean really? These are more like paper cuts rather than the actual amputations that this Federal budget needs. What is $1 billion worth of haggling going to do on a $4 trillion budget?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
$1 billion... $100 million...I mean really? These are more like paper cuts rather than the actual amputations that this Federal budget needs. What is $1 billion worth of haggling going to do on a $4 trillion budget?
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A billion here, a billion there, and pretty soon we are talking about real money.
 
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lawgator1 said:
When I see someone touting the equivalent of secession, no matter how they obviously try to dress it up, I can't help but come to the correct conclusion that its more "If we could just get rid of 'them,' it would all be alright."
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You've got some of us beating the drum of "Back to Africa". So what's your issue?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Exactly the point. I read his comment to be that if certain states didn't have to answer to the federal government they could handle people and issues as they saw fit. Classic separatism.
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Where did he even come close to suggesting that? Plus, states have existing constitutions that protect all people in the state.

You are really reaching and it's telling that your mind goes there immediately.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Exactly the point. I read his comment to be that if certain states didn't have to answer to the federal government they could handle people and issues as they saw fit. Classic separatism.
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And how does that lead to blacks being herded? :ermm:
 
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volinbham said:
Where did he even come close to suggesting that? Plus, states have existing constitutions that protect all people in the state.

You are really reaching and it's telling that your mind goes there immediately.
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Yeah, it's not like there is a 160 year history of Southern states having to be forced by the federal government into abiding by basic civil rights.

The post civil-war acts of Congress are all about that very problem.

Bottom line, if left to themselves, a number of states would quickly become very hostile towards minorities in ways that are offensive to basic human values and principles of freedom

I wouldn't trust the likes if Neocon to have even a rudimentary respect for the rights of a lot of people.
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lawgator1 said:
Pretty obvious, really.
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of course it must be LG.

With your limited IQ, the fact that I am a TP member, white, and own my own business MUST make me a racist or the fantasy world you live in goes up in smoke.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Yeah, it's not like there is a 160 year history of Southern states having to be forced by the federal government into abiding by basic civil rights.

The post civil-war acts of Congress are all about that very problem.

Bottom line, if left to themselves, a number of states would quickly become very hostile towards minorities in ways that are offensive to basic human values and principles of freedom

I wouldn't trust the likes if Neocon to have even a rudimentary respect for the rights of a lot of people.
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you dumb ass do you realize my wife is asian and my kids are bi-racial???

you think asians have never dealt with racism in the world???

you think the clan only hated blacks and not asians????

Do you even think before you type???? A race filled state, pro white, and anti minority is the last thing I want for my family. I want for my kids a country where people see each other for their personalities and who they are inside and enjoy their differences like a painting with multiple beautiful colors.
 
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NEOCON said:
you dumb ass do you realize my wife is asian and my kids are bi-racial???

you think asians have never dealt with racism in the world???

you think the clan only hated blacks and not asians????

Do you even think before you type???? A race filled state, pro white, and anti minority is the last thing I want for my family. I want for my kids a country where people see each other for their personalities and who they are inside and enjoy their differences like a painting with multiple beautiful colors.
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why bother explaining anything to a Florida graduate?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Yeah, it's not like there is a 160 year history of Southern states having to be forced by the federal government into abiding by basic civil rights.

The post civil-war acts of Congress are all about that very problem.

Bottom line, if left to themselves, a number of states would quickly become very hostile towards minorities in ways that are offensive to basic human values and principles of freedom

I wouldn't trust the likes if Neocon to have even a rudimentary respect for the rights of a lot of people.
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Some thoughts:

1) you can't say that giving the people of states freedom (if left to themselves) would be offensive to principles of freedom. or rather, you can't legitimately say it.

2) the post civil war acts were primarily about punishment. I won't go into all the examples but the federal government was very hostile to minorities during that time period. ask the american indian, chinese immigrants, as well as blacks. see plessy v fergusen if you think the feds were being lovey dovey to minorities.

3) you need to read: http://www.volnation.com/forum/5549141-post1.html
 
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both pre- and post-Civil War, the northern states were hardly bastions of civil liberties.
 
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NEOCON said:
you dumb ass do you realize my wife is asian and my kids are bi-racial???

you think asians have never dealt with racism in the world???

you think the clan only hated blacks and not asians????

Do you even think before you type???? A race filled state, pro white, and anti minority is the last thing I want for my family. I want for my kids a country where people see each other for their personalities and who they are inside and enjoy their differences like a painting with multiple beautiful colors.
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That you would compare racism versus blacks to racism versus Asians proves only that you are dumber than a box of rocks.
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