Defending Fulmer

#802
#802
Fulmer took over the offense after the loss to South Carolina in 2005. Vandy rejoiced.
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#804
#804
4-9 against Spurrier

3-5 against Richt

0-4 against Meyer

1-4 against Saban

3-4 against Tuberville

11-26 agains the top five SEC coaches during his seventeen years at Tennessee. That's a winning percentage of 30%. He was owned!!!
 
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#805
#805
kptvol said:
Fulmer took over the offense after the loss to South Carolina in 2005. Vandy rejoiced.
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How on earth did he ever let the offense fall so far? No line coaching was happening, had no QBs, both of which destroyed our running game. Don't get it.
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#806
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zjcvols said:
4-9 against Spurrier

3-5 against Richt

0-5 against Meyer

1-4 against Saban

3-4 against Tuberville

11-27 agains the top five SEC coaches during his seventeen years at Tennessee. That's a winning percentage of 29%. He was owned!!!
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He's lucky Spurrier went to SC to make those numbers look better.
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#807
#807
Let me see if I can end the defending Fulmer debate.

1999 Alex Brown

that should do it.........
 
#808
#808
DarthVisor said:
He was at UT a year, and he was handicapped by the fact that the head coach liked to meddle.

What was pathetic was what Fulmer did for UT post-98. No SEC Championships, and a steady decline that culminated with a lopsided loss to a mediocre SC squad, and a beautiful display of how not to play football against Wyoming.
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his offensive philosphy was the handicap
 
#811
#811
zjcvols said:
4-9 against Spurrier

3-5 against Richt

0-5 against Meyer

1-4 against Saban

3-4 against Tuberville

11-27 agains the top five SEC coaches during his seventeen years at Tennessee. That's a winning percentage of 29%. He was owned!!!
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Those numbers can't be right. Urban Meyer only spent six years at Florida.
 
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#812
Incipient said:
1996 Memphis
2000 Florida
2001 Georgia
2001 LSU
2003 Auburn
2004 Notre Dame
2005 South Carolina
2005 Vanderbilt
2007 Alabama
2008 UCLA
2008 Auburn
2008 Wyoming

Off the top of my head
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That's just complete ignorance. The only teams on that list less talented than us were: 1996 Memphis, 2004 Notre Dame, 2005 Vanderbilt, 2005 South Carolina, 2008 UCLA and 2008 Wyoming. That's a whopping 6 losses over 9 seasons to less talented teams. Only 2 of those losses are bad losses -- Memphis in 1996 and Wyoming after he was fired in 2008. That rate of bad losses is one of the lowest in the SEC over that time period.
 
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#814
LawVol13 said:
There is absolutely no reason to think 2009 or 2010 would have been as good much less better with fulmer coaching.
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Try the fact that he never had 3 seasons, or even 2 seasons, in a row like 2009 & 2010. Try the fact that he bounced back with at least 2 good seasons after every down season. Try the fact that he won 9 or more games in 2 out of his last 3 seasons, 4 out of his last six seasons, and at an even higher rate than that over his history. Try the fact that he never went 3 straight years without a top-3 SEC recruiting class, like we have every single year since he's been fired. Try the fact he never went two straight years completely unranked and without a single win over a top-20 team. And on and on and on...
 
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#815
LawVol13 said:
You've posted nothing but garbage. Typical fulmerite.
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So why have all your prediction been proven wrong, then? Our record is worse, our rankings are worse, our recruiting is worse, and every objective measurement of the program is down. That's not what geniuses like you predicted when you demanded he be fired.
 
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VegasVol said:
That's just complete ignorance. The only teams on that list less talented than us were: 1996 Memphis, 2004 Notre Dame, 2005 Vanderbilt, 2005 South Carolina, 2008 UCLA and 2008 Wyoming. That's a whopping 6 losses over 9 seasons to less talented teams. Only 2 of those losses are bad losses -- Memphis in 1996 and Wyoming after he was fired in 2008. That rate of bad losses is one of the lowest in the SEC over that time period.
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we've all heard your spiel on the '01 LSU team. I'll grant that the '00 Florida team was talented, but when you have Travis Henry running for about 700 yards in the first half, you shouldn't lose, especially not in the way we did.


2001 Georgia, 2003 Auburn, 2007 Alabama, and 2008 Auburn, on the other hand:

*2001 Georgia is an 8-4 team with losses to Auburn and Boston College going up against one of the best Tennessee teams in my lifetime.

*2003 Auburn went 7-5. They lost to Georgia Tech, and we were the only ranked team they beat all year.

*2007 Alabama went 7-6, complete with losses to Louisiana-Monroe and Sylvester Croom. They were playing a UT team that won the East.

*2008 Auburn had no business beating anybody. We were their only win in their last eight games against FCS opponents. Opponents that included Vanderbilt and a 5-7 Arkansas team. Their lone road win was 3-2 against the worst team in the conference. That team might've lost to Wyoming.

And I didn't include 2008 South Carolina on the original list, but if it isn't, it just shows how bad our talent had become.
 
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#818
VegasVol said:
So why have all your prediction been proven wrong, then? Our record is worse, our rankings are worse, our recruiting is worse, and every objective measurement of the program is down. That's not what geniuses like you predicted when you demanded he be fired.
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Ever heard of a step backwards to move two step forwards? That's what you have to do.

Fulmer didn't win a title for ten years and make a BCS bowl in nine years. Defend it. You can't.

Change was needed. If we hired Dooley in 2009, or Kiffin stays, or whatever, we are talking about being the favorites for the 2011 SEC East.

When you go through three coaching changes in three years, you are going to lose games. It's bound to happen.

Mike Shula went 10-2 in 2005. Saban went 6-7 in 2007. By your logic, it was the wrong move. Of course it wasn't. Bama understood (and so do Vol fans who aren't stupid) that they had to give the coach a couple years to get his players/system, etc.

Fulmer wasn't going to win another title at Tennessee. You know how I know that? He hadn't done in ten years.

So we had to fire him, because, Tennessee is a championship caliber program. Tennessee wasn't winning championships and a change had to be made. Simple as that.
 
#819
#819
VegasVol said:
That's just complete ignorance. The only teams on that list less talented than us were: 1996 Memphis, 2004 Notre Dame, 2005 Vanderbilt, 2005 South Carolina, 2008 UCLA and 2008 Wyoming. That's a whopping 6 losses over 9 seasons to less talented teams. Only 2 of those losses are bad losses -- Memphis in 1996 and Wyoming after he was fired in 2008. That rate of bad losses is one of the lowest in the SEC over that time period.
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Then it's Fulmer fault for not having more talent.
 
#820
#820
2007-2008 Regular Season: 14-10

2009-2010 Regular Season: 13-11

So we are one win better with Fulmer. Awesome.
 
#821
#821
Wait a damn second: How is a 6-7 Alabama team with a first year head coach more talented than a 2007 Tennessee team?
 
#822
#822
I heard Fulmer drowns puppies in his free time. Johnny Majors pushes over kids in wheelchairs. Kiffin, oddly helps out at soup kitchens. Weird.
 
#824
#824
VegasVol said:
That's just complete ignorance. The only teams on that list less talented than us were: 1996 Memphis, 2004 Notre Dame, 2005 Vanderbilt, 2005 South Carolina, 2008 UCLA and 2008 Wyoming. That's a whopping 6 losses over 9 seasons to less talented teams. Only 2 of those losses are bad losses -- Memphis in 1996 and Wyoming after he was fired in 2008. That rate of bad losses is one of the lowest in the SEC over that time period.
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You really going to tell me that 2001 LSU was more talented than we are?

Someone is having trouble with their math.
 
#825
#825
DjCrenshaw said:
I heard Fulmer drowns puppies in his free time. Johnny Majors pushes over kids in wheelchairs. Kiffin, oddly helps out at soup kitchens. Weird.
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Johnny stole whiskey from the homeless. Get your stories straight.
 
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