Trooper and former players recruiting against vols?

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VegasVol said:
Auburn dude seems accurate and factual, while the UT fan looks like an embarrassing rumor-mongering nitwit.
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Actually, its more than rumor-mongering. There were overlaps between the Auburn and the former Colonial Bank of Trustees, like Pat Dye. And the FBI is investigating Colonial and Lowder for illegal lending practices.

So his points aren't completely baseless rumors.

Bobby Lowder, Colonial Bancgroup, the FDIC and Auburn football - The Curious Capitalist - TIME.com

Bobby Lowder, the man behind Colonial Bank's failure - Oct. 12, 2009
 
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VegasVol said:
Then why make claims the FBI was investigating Auburn and then call it "factual"?
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The FBI is investigating Colonial, and the AU Board of Trustee's has a few members that are also Directors/work for Colonial. That's how I know. I did some research. Not hard...
 
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glhal2814 said:
I gathered that generally was happening based on your prior post, and that's pretty much what I'm confused aobut.

At what point, if ever, has the NCAA ruled that the player's have been acting as an agent. That's what has me baffled about this. The not contact rules are pretty specific about no one on behalf of the university acting as its agent. But then you have the players with unbridled access to the recruits in fact if not by rule.

If its just a free for all with them contacting recruits? If so, why isn't every program having their players call recruits no stop? Or are they?
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they are calling. they all do it.

IMO, the rules intent is against university employees not authorized to recruit and boosters, ticket holders, donors, fans, etc of a university. I don't think they care about players.

Here is another example, it is not far fetched that next year, year after, sometime, you have Ray Drew calling Tiny to transfer to Georgia or vice versus, Tiny calling Ray. They became good friends in recruiting and they will talk all the time. think they might not suggest a transfer?
 
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glhal2814 said:
I understand that now that I reread the Iowa article, and stated exactly that when I referenced it in the prior post.

And while you are technically correct, its pretty obvious that if Kutcher and Moore were Mr. and Mrs. Jones from Des Moines, this wouldn't have been an "Unintended Secondary" that Iowa would have reported. The fact that they were famous and took pictures with recruits was the issue. The issue wasn't that they were season ticket holders or posters on an athletic board that promotes Iowa atletics or donors or random fans chanting go Hawkeyes.

Its a side issue to the thread in general though.

By the way, you can just say, the NCAA makes up the meaning of the rules as it enforces them haphazardly and capriciously and I'd be satisfied.
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there is no doubt that is how they manage rules and penalties. I think sometimes they flip coins.
 
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LWSVOL said:
they are calling. they all do it.

IMO, the rules intent is against university employees not authorized to recruit and boosters, ticket holders, donors, fans, etc of a university. I don't think they care about players.

Here is another example, it is not far fetched that next year, year after, sometime, you have Ray Drew calling Tiny to transfer to Georgia or vice versus, Tiny calling Ray. They became good friends in recruiting and they will talk all the time. think they might not suggest a transfer?
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As long as its common practice to talk to recruits and not a violation I'm not too worried about all of this.

Other than once again the NCAA has rule that is damn near disconnected from the actual application of it. So why not update the rule to be clear. Freaking NCAA.

This is what scares the hell out of me with the current UT investigation. There is such a gulf between rule on the ambiguious rule books vs. practice, it must be a nightmare to be in the compliance department of any University.
 
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LWSVOL said:
there is no doubt that is how they manage rules and penalties. I think sometimes they flip coins.
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By the way, thanks for taking the time to go through how all this actually usually works when it comes to players talking to recruits.
 
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DD4ME said:
So I am clear are we talking about a receiver from last years team? If so that's a glove slap on the VFL. Somebody send out the enforcers, VFL is like the mafia right? Once in always in unless you sleep with the fishes!
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VFL isn't going to register with a guy that's been through 3 head coaches, 5 offensive coordinators and about 100 assistant coaches during his 4 years. Too many choices of who to be "loyal" to. And I use the term "loyal" very loosely when it comes to today's crop of players.
 
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glhal2814 said:
Actually, its more than rumor-mongering. There were overlaps between the Auburn and the former Colonial Bank of Trustees, like Pat Dye. And the FBI is investigating Colonial and Lowder for illegal lending practices.

So his points aren't completely baseless rumors.

Bobby Lowder, Colonial Bancgroup, the FDIC and Auburn football - The Curious Capitalist - TIME.com

Bobby Lowder, the man behind Colonial Bank's failure - Oct. 12, 2009
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Neither of those reports say the FBI is investigating Auburn. So that claim was and remains an unsupported rumor, mostly propagated by those beacons of credibility, known as Alabama fans.
 
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the.one.the.only said:
The FBI is investigating Colonial, and the AU Board of Trustee's has a few members that are also Directors/work for Colonial. That's how I know. I did some research. Not hard...
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And that's a real big difference than saying Auburn is under FBI inquiry, which was precisely the point your Auburn friend made to you.
 
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VegasVol said:
Auburn dude seems accurate and factual, while the UT fan looks like an embarrassing rumor-mongering nitwit.
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Like the guy that claimed the previous staff was offering Cam Newton money but then thought better of it after the hostess scandal?
 
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VegasVol said:
And that's a real big difference than saying Auburn is under FBI inquiry, which was precisely the point your Auburn friend made to you.
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I actually never said Auburn the school was under FBI inquiry. Did you just make that up?

Edit: I said Board of Trustees members were connected in this fraud case. How does that sound like Auburn is under FBI investigation to you?
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Did we forget about GJ? I dont care what TT, GJ, GW, or Auburn have to say about any of this or anything else. I want to hear from Tiny! He knows what GJ was trying to accomplish. When do we get his side?
 
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vol81 said:
Read NGage's long comment in the comments section of Wards article in the KNS
Very very interesting information, the gist of which makes perfect sense;
Trooper is a low down dirt bag and GJ cant get away from UT quick enough;
Trooper used GJ to seal the deal with Gabe; Gabe got played too which means he really doesnt have much character or sense
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To be clear:

My post on govolsxtra was a copy/paste of Vol2424's post #326 (page 22 of this thread) on here. I tried to make it clear that it was a re-post from a forum, but it seems that may not have been evident. I apologize for the confusion.

It's all Vol2424's info.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
Still don't understand how he can say he couldn't persuade him on a place he's never been (assumption: knows little about) but then says he said a lot of positive things about Auburn.

How does Wright get his number? Who was it from? If TT gave it to him, they've kept in touch? And being in touch he would know of GJ's frustrations, issues, etc. Does anyone realize this was a recruiting no-no? If GJ hates anyone beside coaches selling a school, why did he spend so long on a call talking positives? If you love your school, why even pitch another school you claim to know little about?

It would benefit him to keep his mouth shut now. Because of what he did, it could easily bring 'AA in to look deeper. Phone records are an easy thing to look up. If it was TT's phone things could get hairy. Opening his mouth has now put him on the record. And I wonder since he's still on scholly why Dooley would let him get on the radio or talk to the press at this point? A lot of questions. And this thing really stinks on many fronts.
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Well put dude.
 
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LWSVOL said:
I have not gotten, myself, confirmation that Gerald talked to Wright. I've seen all the message board postings but that is not confirmation.

Assuming it happened, that could very well be context of a conversation. Know knows the conversations but those involved and they could have different versions. Happens all the time in ocnversations.
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GJ was live on Hookers show yesterday, admitted that he spoke with him via telephone - claimed saying good things about Tennessee.....and TT.
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Tenacious D said:
GJ was live on Hookers show yesterday, admitted that he spoke with him via telephone - claimed saying good things about Tennessee.....and TT.
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...and AU.

He said it....then later tried to back peddle from it.
 
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VegasVol said:
Neither of those reports say the FBI is investigating Auburn. So that claim was and remains an unsupported rumor, mostly propagated by those beacons of credibility, known as Alabama fans.
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The poster who first brought up the Auburn - Colonial - FBI thing didn't characterize it correctly, that we both agree on. Auburn isn't being investigated by the FBI.

But there is a lot of overlap between the Auburn board in the late 2000's, and the former Colonial Board is a statement of fact. Also, the failed Colonial Bank is being investigated by the FBI and SEC (financial, not football). That's not unsupported rumor propogated by Alabama fans. That's fact.

So the poster who brought all this up isn't wrong that there is an investiagtion by the FBI into a lot of the Auburn higher ups. Its a fair thing to bring up in any discussion of Auburn's repuatation for disregarding the rules. In fact, I'd say its necessary to bring up when discussing their program, just like its fair and necessary to bring up the fact the UT has multiple suspicious circumstances that date to Kiffin's tenure.
 
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I've always appreciated and supported Gerald Jones. But you don't deliberately fail your team or bite the hands that feed you. If GJ harmed our program's future in conversation with a recruit, while is he on full scholarship...then something is missing in the man. Because Trooper Taylor and Auburn was involved, I wonder if money was also. If the presidents and coaches in the SEC have any hair on their heinies, Auburn University will face retribution for its egregious violations.
 
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I think what he meant was that TT called GJ and then handed the phone to GW and told him to ask him (GJ) about UT, AU, and Trooper taylor. Gj supposedly didn't know who was on the other end and (spectualitive from here on my part) was asked about TT's honesty, did what he said he would, and was asked about TT's character. GJ sald he didn't say anything negative about UT, Au, or TT. By the way, this all happened AFTER GW had told the coaches he was committing to Tn. The question is/was.. why did TT want GW to talk to Gj, who wa a UT former player, if he didn't know that GJ wouldn't help him with recruiting GW. It must have worked, because then Gabe announced he was changing his mind and going to Auburn. Doesn't sound like GJ said anything positive about Tn. to help keep Gabe in going to Tn. and must have said something to help sway Gabe back to Auburn, because he (Gabe) had already told Tn. coaches he was coming to Tn.:dance:
 
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