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CSpindizzy

CSpindizzy

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no one seems to be mentioning the Mary Foley story. Too many disgusted by this? I expected the Republicans to lay low on this one but no Dems pouncing on this story?
 
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It is pretty darn creepy. I still haven't seen any excerpts from the text messages. Anyone have links?
 
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Foley enters rehab, FBI examining e-mails - Today - MSNBC.com

WASHINGTON - Rep Mark Foley says he's entering a treatment facility for his alcoholism and behavioral problems, while the FBI says it is examining the former congressman's e-mail exchanges with teenagers to determine if they violated federal law.
Sunday night, an attorney for Foley faxed a letter to local Florida media outlets in which the congressman sites alcoholism and behavioral problems before saying he will be receiving immediate treatment.
Sunday House Speaker Dennis Hastert asked for a federal investigation into the case — a lurid scandal that has put House Republicans in political peril.
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Comments from another board I frequent.....OWB would feel at home.

The irony of this is that this guy was the Chairman on the House Caucus on Missing and Exploited Children and had helped to pass legistation that made laws against sex offenders much tougher.
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Seems like it's always the self-righteous, holier-than-thou, smug bastards with the most in their closet, doesn't it?

I feel bad for the page, but I can't help but kinda laugh at the situation. It's just too nice to see someone taken down for such blatant hypocrisy.
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There's no news in a politician talking dirty or even having sex. The news about Clinton was that he lied about it under oath. The news about this guy is that he was having cyber sex with minors and broke the very laws he helped to pass in the process. And now's there are reports there is more than one case of him chatting it up with a Congressional page and the House Republican leadership knew about it as far back as 2003 and did nothing about it. Just another example of their incompetence and failure to do their job.
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I thought some of our *more enlightened* members declared Pedophilia ok and healthy?
What's wrong with an adult wanting to **** a minor? He's educating the minor in sexuality.

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Of course I'm a Neandrethal, and think adults shouldn't be ******* kids...

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Maf54: You in your boxers, too?
Teen: Nope, just got home. I had a college interview that went late.
Maf54: Well, strip down and get relaxed.
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Maf54: What ya wearing?
Teen: tshirt and shorts
Maf54: Love to slip them off of you.
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Maf54: Do I make you a little horny?
Teen: A little.
Maf54: Cool.
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Maybe you should return to those boards and ask them about Gerry Studds. Believe me, I think what Foley did was wrong on all levels, but at least he, and his fellow Republicans, understood that the correct thing to do at this point is resign. Studds was elected to five more terms after having a sexual relationship with his 17 year old page.
 
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How long did this go on before first of all getting caught? He resigned because he did get caught and was pressured due to the sensitivity of the election and control of Congress.

I am waiting to see who knew and when they knew. From rumors I've heard, this could become the GOP's version of the Catholic Church's child abuse crisis.
 
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From rumors I've heard, this could become the GOP's version of the Catholic Church's child abuse crisis.
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Do you think it will get that big. Actually, come to think of it, the catholic situation did not get as big as it could have.
 
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"Before their eight, it's great!"

or

"Sex by eight is too late"

or

"If their is grass on the wicket it is too late"
 
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I'm saying that there are rumors that this was buried just as it was within the Catholic Church. I am not saying there is some epidemic with NAMBLA card carrying Congressmen. Although this does not bode well for the morality issues going into the election. Good thing the war on terror is going on and not gay marriage or Terry Schiavo right?
 
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I'm saying that there are rumors that this was buried just as it was within the Catholic Church. I am not saying there is some epidemic with NAMBLA card carrying Congressmen. Although this does not bode well for the morality issues going into the election. Good thing the war on terror is going on and not gay marriage or Terry Schiavo right?
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I agree the damage control from the catholic church was phenominal, I expect much the same from the GOP.

The Nambla thing was for OWB in response to his pic.

You know as well as I do that the GOP will run on morals and taxes.........same old crap!

My advice, vote Libertarian!
 
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The sad thing is that there is now talk of the GOP leadership writing a new code of conduct. What part of this is wrong do they not understand? Are we to the point where we have to document rules for grown men not to have sexual relations with underage pages? Are Congressmen that stupid to need something on paper to tell them not to have inappropriate conversations with staff much less underage staff?
 
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Of course they know it is wrong, but the GOP has to make the moral crowd of the GOP happy by publicly "fixing" the problem.

Nothing makes the moral crowd happier than "rules"!
 
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CSpindizzy said:
The sad thing is that there is now talk of the GOP leadership writing a new code of conduct. What part of this is wrong do they not understand? Are we to the point where we have to document rules for grown men not to have sexual relations with underage pages? Are Congressmen that stupid to need something on paper to tell them not to have inappropriate conversations with staff much less underage staff?
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Just more pandering. It's completely ludicrous.
 
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CSpindizzy;425311] Good thing the war on terror is going on
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The Republicans are trying to balance it out and make people forget about this. There are some "new" terror tapes out of some of the highjackers on 9/11. Ahhh election time, can't you just smell it?
 
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Drudge is saying the Washington Times is calling for Hastert to resign.....coming from a credible conservative paper, this is vicious.
 
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This is another example of how insulated our "representatives" in Washington have become. If a public figure actually thinks he or she can get away with something like this they have an artificially induced air of invincibility. Term limits is the only answer this, and other problems in Washington.

That being said, pinning something like this on an entire party seems to be just as shallow and insulated.
 
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No one is pinning this on an entire party. There are those who are pinning it on a party leadership who evidently did know something of a certain level of this one year ago. The point of leadership is to take out these things and LEAD on them. Don't put them aside and brush them off as partisan or insignificant. Don't brush them off because your party is in danger of losing power as well.

If a member who is in charge of overseeing the page program is given info on overly friendly contact, then investigate this. Don't have a discussion with the member in question and then let it drop.

This is a culture of protect your own and cover up items to not offend or disgrace the party. What is better? For it to come out that you discovered it and stopped it immediately or would you prefer that it come out through a media outlet and also find out you knew that this was going on to a certain level over a year ago?
 
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No matter what party it comes from, I'm just tired of selective moral outrage period.
 
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And I'm tired of the "look at the history of the other party" as a response. There is no responsibility anymore. It's always deflected to the other side doing far worse things. No one will admit to being wrong or imperfect but would rather flip this immediately around to digging up a lurid history of the other side to justify their own inadequacies.
 
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It is not that at all. What Foley did was disgusting and criminal, in my opinion. However, he has resigned his position. What the Republican leadership knew and didn't know is all speculation right now. If they knew more than just that Foley had asked one of his pages for a picture (a non sexual picture) then they are accountable for this not surfacing until now. However, there is absolutely no evidence that the Republican leadership knew of anything criminal going on. Also, I would bet that a lot of Democrats in the House also knew as much as the Republican leadership did.

Further, you relate this to the Catholic Church and their scandal. Well, let's play it this way: the Republican Party is the Catholic Church; the Democrats are the Boston legal system and the Massachusetts legal system. Boston metropolitan police and DAs as well as the Massachusetts Attorney General's office had information to prosecute for years, yet they kept trying to push the Catholic Church to take care their problem. Both parties were at fault in that situation.
 
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Let's look at it this way. When this first happened, going back to the original email, the safety of the pages should have been an issue for the full panel overseeing the pages. There was questionable behavior. It should have been brought to the attention of the panel and all members should have been reminded of proper behavior with the pages, underage children mind you. Instead it was left to a brief conversation with Rep. Shimkus, the House Clerk and Foley to end contact.

So essentially the issue is that a group in the know feared partisan repercussions rather than safety of the children or behvaior of all members and kept this in the family rather than making sure the panel overseeing the pages was briefed on the action.

Foley did not resign until one media outlet decided to make an issue of this. Several other media outlets including Fox and numerous newspapers were sitting on this and did nothing. Foley only resigned after he was caught and could have been disgraced even further. It took a network rather than his peers or those who oversee the safety and well-being of these underage children to bring this out into the open and end this child predator's actions.

You're right. There is no evidence out there that says the GOP leadership knew of illegal behavior. But they did know something questionable was going on and the people overseeing this program buried this after a hand slap rather than making sure nothing more was going on and the rest of the pages were protected. As for Democrats knowing, I'm surprised that someone who always speaks of concrete evidence would make such a knee-jerk allegation. Up to this point, all we see is that this was buired by the GOP so the Dems could not see this. It seems the motivation for the GOP members who knew was protecting their party rather than the children they were responsible for.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
Let's look at it this way. When this first happened, going back to the original email, the safety of the pages should have been an issue for the full panel overseeing the pages. There was questionable behavior. It should have been brought to the attention of the panel and all members should have been reminded of proper behavior with the pages, underage children mind you. Instead it was left to a brief conversation with Rep. Shimkus, the House Clerk and Foley to end contact.

So essentially the issue is that a group in the know feared partisan repercussions rather than safety of the children or behvaior of all members and kept this in the family rather than making sure the panel overseeing the pages was briefed on the action.

Foley did not resign until one media outlet decided to make an issue of this. Several other media outlets including Fox and numerous newspapers were sitting on this and did nothing. Foley only resigned after he was caught and could have been disgraced even further. It took a network rather than his peers or those who oversee the safety and well-being of these underage children to bring this out into the open and end this child predator's actions.

You're right. There is no evidence out there that says the GOP leadership knew of illegal behavior. But they did know something questionable was going on and the people overseeing this program buried this after a hand slap rather than making sure nothing more was going on and the rest of the pages were protected. As for Democrats knowing, I'm surprised that someone who always speaks of concrete evidence would make such a knee-jerk allegation. Up to this point, all we see is that this was buired by the GOP so the Dems could not see this. It seems the motivation for the GOP members who knew was protecting their party rather than the children they were responsible for.
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Give me a break, acting like this is a partisan thing? Covering their ass? Dems would have done the same thing, these parties are filled will self serving corrupt individuals.
 
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You are proving my point. "The other side would have done the same thing" is the cheapest and lowest cop out there is. I don't care what the other side of ANY side would have done. It shows the true character of these people. These are elected officials. And not only that they are the leaders of one segment of the elected officials and the leaders of the majority party. This is a leadership who throws morality around as if they own it and God but when it all comes down to it, they are just as sleazy as anyone else. The bad part is that yes they are as sleazy but they use a morality and elevate themselves to being masters of morality.
 
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