The Atlanta Braves (thread 1)

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OrangeWilly said:
That may be the question that decides if this is a first round playoff exit team, or more.
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I admit that I am not too optimistic with Chipper.

It pains me to ask this, and tell me I'm being stupid, but if he struggles down the stretch, and Infante stays hot.............
 
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The guy I'm most concerned about is Glaus. He's been terrible for about a month and looks like he did in April.
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TBrown said:
Tells me they should have let the man play baseball instead of trying to force him to to fit into the the Bobby Cox mold of players.

Maybe if someone on the field acted like they gave a damn, the geezer would have more than 1 ring after having the best team for most of a decade.

I've been completely pissed off with the way the Braves have handled the entire Yunel Escobar situation for the better part of two years. Mishandled a cultural difference, alienated a tremendous talent to the point of him not caring, and completely took the fun out of the game for him. Maybe some of his actions were out of line, but he spent 15ish years playing a certain style of baseball in Cuba. Those habits don't go away over night. I find the Braves mishandling of the situation just as much at fault as Yunel Escobar. Mainly Bobby Cox and Chipper Jones.

Not to mention the media hounding him for no reason. He is gone so let him be. Dave O'Brien is a joke.

Esco will turn into a perennial All*Star and I can't wait for him to be shoved down Braves fans' throats on a nightly basis by ESPN when he is a Yankee or Red Sox.

Sorry, rant over.
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Someone on the field who gives a damn? The only thing Escobar appears to give a damn about on the baseball field are his own statistics. Call him out on strikes and he explodes. Score an error on him and he pouts for the rest of the game. The rest of the time, he loafs, plays like he's not paying attention, and generally halfasses it. I keep hearing Escobar's defenders talk about how he plays with "passion," but the only time you ever see it is when he feels like he himself personally got screwed. Why didn't we ever see any of that fire in support of his teammates?

This isn't a "cultural difference"; most Latino players aren't self-absorbed jackasses. This is a personality thing. The only person who has mishandled Escobar's tremendous, Rafael Ramirez-like talent is Escobar himself. At least Ramirez's teammates loved him.
 
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TBrown said:
Tells me they should have let the man play baseball instead of trying to force him to to fit into the the Bobby Cox mold of players.

Maybe if someone on the field acted like they gave a damn, the geezer would have more than 1 ring after having the best team for most of a decade.

I've been completely pissed off with the way the Braves have handled the entire Yunel Escobar situation for the better part of two years. Mishandled a cultural difference, alienated a tremendous talent to the point of him not caring, and completely took the fun out of the game for him. Maybe some of his actions were out of line, but he spent 15ish years playing a certain style of baseball in Cuba. Those habits don't go away over night. I find the Braves mishandling of the situation just as much at fault as Yunel Escobar. Mainly Bobby Cox and Chipper Jones.

Not to mention the media hounding him for no reason. He is gone so let him be. Dave O'Brien is a joke.

Esco will turn into a perennial All*Star and I can't wait for him to be shoved down Braves fans' throats on a nightly basis by ESPN when he is a Yankee or Red Sox.

Sorry, rant over.
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.240 avg and 0hrs. How will the Braves ever survive without that kind of production? Escobar is exactly where he belongs. In a loser town where he can feel free to express his wonderful "Cuban Flair" in front of 10,000 people who are just waiting for hockey season.

As for that "perennial All-Star" thing you mentioned, don't hold your breath, but even if it does happen it obviously wasn't going to happen in Atlanta so that's really irrelevant.

I was pulling for him up until about a month ago when it became obvious that he was poisonous to that team.

And as for Bobby Cox and Chipper Jones being at fault for anything, sure, blaming two Hall of Famers for that piece of crap's terrible attitude and lack of production makes total sense.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Someone on the field who gives a damn? The only thing Escobar appears to give a damn about on the baseball field are his own statistics. Call him out on strikes and he explodes. Score an error on him and he pouts for the rest of the game. The rest of the time, he loafs, plays like he's not paying attention, and generally halfasses it. I keep hearing Escobar's defenders talk about how he plays with "passion," but the only time you ever see it is when he feels like he himself personally got screwed. Why didn't we ever see any of that fire in support of his teammates?

This isn't a "cultural difference"; most Latino players aren't self-absorbed jackasses. This is a personality thing. The only person who has mishandled Escobar's tremendous, Rafael Ramirez-like talent is Escobar himself. At least Ramirez's teammates loved him.
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Respectable post involving difference of opinion.
 
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yont sum iss? said:
.240 avg and 0hrs. How will the Braves ever survive without that kind of production? Escobar is exactly where he belongs. In a loser town where he can feel free to express his wonderful "Cuban Flair" in front of 10,000 people who are just waiting for hockey season.

As for that "perennial All-Star" thing you mentioned, don't hold your breath, but even if it does happen it obviously wasn't going to happen in Atlanta so that's really irrelevant.

I was pulling for him up until about a month ago when it became obvious that he was poisonous to that team.

And as for Bobby Cox and Chipper Jones being at fault for anything, sure, blaming two Hall of Famers for that piece of crap's terrible attitude and lack of production makes total sense.
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Too much here to even respond. Keep suckin on that 1/14 Bobby Cox. I was just "holding my breath," as you say, for how he would screw it up this year.
 
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TBrown said:
Too much here to even respond. Keep suckin on that 1/14 Bobby Cox. I was just "holding my breath," as you say, for how he would screw it up this year.
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Keep suckin on that waste of a roster spot who has never accomplished a thing in his career. I never thought I would acutually find you. I thought you were a myth like Bigfoot or the Loch Ness Monster, but it's true there actually is one Yunel Escobar fan/groupie left in the world.

I really shouldn't waste my time on someone who praises Yunel Escobar in one sentece and trashes Bobby Cox in the next. Do us all a favor and stop calling yourself a Braves "fan". I'm sure the Jays could use a few.
 
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Heebs said:
Are you really dogging on Bobby?
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Yeah. Not a new thing. Everyone who knows baseball knows he isn't a great in-game manager. Anyone with a heartbeat knows he can't manage a bullpen.

Players' manager that everyone likes, blah blah. He won one world series making the postseason fourteen consecutive times. Also had a far more talented team several of those years.

I like the guy and he's a Braves legend, but his success is based far more off his longevity and the talent of the players he had. In all fairness, he did acquire a good amount of that talent as GM.
 
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yont sum iss? said:
Keep suckin on that waste of a roster spot who has never accomplished a thing in his career. I never thought I would acutually find you. I thought you were a myth like Bigfoot or the Loch Ness Monster, but it's true there actually is one Yunel Escobar fan/groupie left in the world.

I really shouldn't waste my time on someone who praises Yunel Escobar in one sentece and trashes Bobby Cox in the next. Do us all a favor and stop calling yourself a Braves "fan". I'm sure the Jays could use a few.
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You mad brah? Did Yunel Escobar Delonte-West your mom?

Lot of hate and bitterness in those posts. Anyways, when you acknowledge the MVP of the Braves for the 2009 season and the most talented player on our team last year and the 2nd most talented player on our team this season, I'll continue a conversation with you.
 
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I'm surprised there's actually people defending Yunel. Yunel was not the best Braves player on the '09 team. LaRoche and McCann were considerably better.
 
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VOLNBAMA said:
I'm surprised there's actually people defending Yunel. Yunel was not the best Braves player on the '09 team. LaRoche and McCann were considerably better.
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McCann is average defensively at-best. And can't run. I consider "best players" people that can do more than stand in the box and swing.

Escobar won Team MVP from several members of the media, Braves beat writer, the Braves foundation, etc.

Hate if you want, I don't care. Acknowledge his talent though.
 
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TBrown said:
McCann is average defensively at-best. And can't run. I consider "best players" people that can do more than stand in the box and swing.

Escobar won Team MVP from several members of the media, Braves beat writer, the Braves foundation, etc.

Hate if you want, I don't care. Acknowledge his talent though.
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McCann was much more important to the team last year than Escobar. Yunel wasn't to the 2nd best player on the team this year either.
 
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