Do you think Fulmer would have turned it around if given a few more years?

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I thought Fulmer's elevated desk in his office, to where he could look down on visitors, was enough to prove he is a self-centered prick!
 
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Kiffin was an upgrade to Fulmer. Dooley is not.

Oh well.

Hammy sux.

3 more years... then we'll find out if we really want to pay for a proven coach.

Go Vols!
 
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VolSwaff said:
Yeah, kinda like those other rumors like the moon landing and 9/11.
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I'm just sayin', I haven't seen proof. It's probably a 50/50 split on who believes what. Something like Major supporters/detractors-50/50. Or, so. Maybe it happened, maybe it didn't. I don't know.
 
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utmba93 said:
Kiffin was an upgrade to Fulmer. Dooley is not.

Oh well.

Hammy sux.

3 more years... then we'll find out if we really want to pay for a proven coach.

Go Vols!
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I fully endorse this post! But will gladly double fist my helping of crow.
 
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Yes. I had faith in the clawfense. Now, if you all will excuse me, I wont wait for the public display of brutality that awaits me for my statement. I will just go ahead and hang myself with my pants.
 
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sjt18 said:
There is no evidence that Fulmer was going to beat Bama... or even keep it under 20 pts. I agree he probably beats UCLA and maybe Auburn but UF also would have been a blow out.

We caught Bama on their worst day, and if Kiffin had known what radio commentator Tim Priest new before the game, CLK would have beat them.

Not yet but if DD fails then he will. MH definitely made a high risk hire. If DD turns out to be high reward then MH is a genius. If he flops then MH should be fired.

Absolutely; but MH began the process by hiring CLK in the first place.

He had several top 10 classes leading up to his dismissal. Unfortunately, the ratings didn't turn into performance. He had numerous busts and discipline problems. By his last class, we were all hoping that he was finding underrated players.

Performance = what? One play away from the SECCG in 2007, and losing to the NC? Losing to one of the best SEC teams ever in 2005? Getting to the SECCG every three years with Florida and Georgia in the division is performing.

No. Not really. He isn't really confusing at all. He's a guy of extreme personal loyalty that sometimes blinds him to his obligations to the whole program. He is the Bobby Cox of college football. Bobby was consistent in beating teams he should have beaten so he won alot of pennants. However he was outclassed by "great" teams for years. Except for two years, Fulmer was the perpetual bride's maid.

No. It puts him in the class of Bobby Cox. His recruiting and "consistency" made him the default opponent in this decade... when a championship caliber team did not rise out of the East... UT got to be the team the West champion beat.

The Bobby Cox analogy is a good one. I like to say CPF was close to being a LEGEND, but he "just" ended up being Hall-of-Fame. He had to coach against at least one confirmed legend during his tenure, maybe more before its over. Another analogy is he is the Tyson Gay to Usain Bolt.
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The Bobby Cox analogy is a good 'un. Still, I think we go bowling with an unfired Phil Fulmer in 2008, and I am on record saying the Clawfense would have had Crompton firing on all cylinders by UCLA which would have made last season a good 'un.
 
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utgibbs said:
The Bobby Cox analogy is a good 'un. Still, I think we go bowling with an unfired Phil Fulmer in 2008, and I am on record saying the Clawfense would have had Crompton firing on all cylinders by UCLA which would have made last season a good 'un.
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Crompton only got better when Kiffin simplified the offense. How was he ever going to be “firing on all cylinders” in the Clawfense?
 
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utgibbs said:
The Bobby Cox analogy is a good 'un. Still, I think we go bowling with an unfired Phil Fulmer in 2008, and I am on record saying the Clawfense would have had Crompton firing on all cylinders by UCLA which would have made last season a good 'un.
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You really think Tim Priest knew more about player injuries than Kiffin?
 
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What I think is funny, is the fact that if you talk about Fulmer being able to "turn around" the program after a a really bad season, is almost like asking the question about global warming, if its man made or not, or if its really going on...people on here get so mad over Fulmer, and others still support him...bottom line is..Tennessee wanted a change, so Hope and Change came with Lane Kiffin and left with Monty...so all we can do is see what Dooley can do, and for one, I think the man brings back the integrity of the program...one thing can not be argued, Fulmer had integrity and won more than he lost..go Dooley, go VOLS
 
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No. Fulmer would not have gotten UT turned around. He would have had as many 7-8 win seasons as he could get with not another shot at the SEC Title. His loyalty and love for UT is unquestioned. His ability to motivate players to be their best, not so much. He had lost the fire that got him hired and got him all those wins. He got complacent.
 
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First time commenting on this thread, despite how long it's been up...
Fulmer was a good recruiter, but the last couple of years before his being fired were very unimpressive, and part of the reason (although a small part) why we're where we are today.
Had he been given a few more years, I dunno.
The spread he tried to implant in 2008 was terrible, we all know that. If he were to stick to the normal, solid offense, I'd say he'd have been another Mark Richt. We wouldn't beat the Bama's and Florida's, but we'd kill OOC, Vandy, UK, and SCar. We'd compete evenly with the second tier SEC teams like LSU and UGA.
With that Clawfense? Provided he recruited the right players for the system, it's still a coin flip. I'd imagine it wouldn't be positive, similar to an old dog having to learn new tricks. Just out of his realm.

I did support Fulmer in 2007 when we started 1-2, but in 2008, I had enough. I was for a new coach, but I wanted Gruden instead of Kiffin.
 
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ChismsHeadband said:
I did support Fulmer in 2007 when we started 1-2, but in 2008, I had enough. I was for a new coach, but I wanted Gruden instead of Kiffin.
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Gruden made it clear very early that he had no interest in the UT job. He's probably waiting for another NFL opportunity.
 
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Fulmer gave his all for Tennessee and his love for the program can't be questioned but,I don't think there is any chance he would have "turned it around".There are too many present struggles from his being complacent on the recruiting trail.To me it's more like he took the program to the top and then rested on his laurels until he was let go.I think it would have continued on the same path making it an even harder "turnaround" compared to what it is now.
 
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cc623 said:
Fulmer gave his all for Tennessee and his love for the program can't be questioned
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But, his love for self was much greater than his fondness for U.T. He began to speak about personal goals he wanted to attain, when he was given the last extension, meaning 200 wins and breaking Neyland's overall wins record. He may have been fond of U.T., but most fond of himself.
 
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