This has been an excellent coaching job by....

#51
#51
SaintBruce said:
Well. Voldad makes it seem like coaches can pick and choose the best players. It makes it kinda hard when the best players don't even give the school a glance, you know what I mean?

And when you dont get sure-fire 5 stars you end up with a lot of inconsistent players. Which is what we have now.

When he first got here, he had to take chances on guys with "upside" and "potential." But now, thanks to CBP and the job he has done, some top-level talent is starting to look at UT.

See, there is a point. You just need to work on your comprehension skills.
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Kevin O'Neil did not have that problem, and the program was a lot worse then, than it was when Pearl got it. O'Neil does work really hard though.
 
#52
#52
Quote:
Originally Posted by justrabid
you should be ashamed....Bruce finished ahead of uk,4 straight years....its not his fault the players dont get better....its not his fault he only has lil Pearl and McBee as subs..next year he has a great class coming and we'll be in the thick of it next year....we might even win a sweet 16 game....Bruce will be SEC COY....

Actually it 100% is.

You bolded the part saying it is not his fault his players don't get better. Then said, "Actually it 100% is." Which sounds similiar in my mind to he can't coach them up. Which happens to be exactly what i accused you of saying.
 
#56
#56
SaintBruce said:
And neither does Bruce anymore. But it has taken a lot of hard work from Bruce to get to this point.
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I don't think that can be judged, until the next recruiting class has played at least a season together. His track record is poor so far.
 
#57
#57
SaintBruce said:
Well. Voldad makes it seem like coaches can pick and choose the best players. It makes it kinda hard when the best players don't even give the school a glance, you know what I mean?

And when you dont get sure-fire 5 stars you end up with a lot of inconsistent players. Which is what we have now.

When he first got here, he had to take chances on guys with "upside" and "potential." But now, thanks to CBP and the job he has done, some top-level talent is starting to look at UT.

See, there is a point. You just need to work on your comprehension skills.
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That is such a horrible stretch.

Actually his first class Pearl had two 5* players.

On the 07-08 roster he had three 5* players and Chism and T. Smith who were 4* and both top 50 players out of high school.

So basically you just made stuff up.
 
#58
#58
NewToVolCountry said:
Quote:
Originally Posted by justrabid
you should be ashamed....Bruce finished ahead of uk,4 straight years....its not his fault the players dont get better....its not his fault he only has lil Pearl and McBee as subs..next year he has a great class coming and we'll be in the thick of it next year....we might even win a sweet 16 game....Bruce will be SEC COY....

Actually it 100% is.

You bolded the part saying it is not his fault his players don't get better. Then said, "Actually it 100% is." Which sounds similiar in my mind to he can't coach them up. Which happens to be exactly what i accused you of saying.
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I never said he can't make players better, but if the players don't get better as the original poster stated (I did not say that) it is 100% the coach's fault.

That is a coach's job- to make his players better. I never said Pearl can't make players better or coach them up.
 
#60
#60
JZVOL said:
That is such a horrible stretch.

Actually his first class Pearl had two 5* players.

On the 07-08 roster he had three 5* players and Chism and T. Smith who were 4* and both top 50 players out of high school.

So basically you just made stuff up.
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There is a huuuuuuuuuuuuuge difference between Chism and Demarcus Cousins.

One had the potential and upside out of high school to be a good player. One was a lottery pick. Just saying :rock:
 
#61
#61
SaintBruce said:
There is a huuuuuuuuuuuuuge difference between Chism and Demarcus Cousins.

One had the potential and upside out of high school to be a good player. One was a lottery pick. Just saying :rock:
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Good job ignoring the fact Pearl had three 5* players and two top 50 players on the '07-'08 roster.

That screams lack of talent and taking chances.

You really consider getting a top 50 player as taking a chance?

He had 5 top 50 players on that roster.
 
#62
#62
And until Ty Smith was kicked off, Chism had shown very little improvement.
 
#63
#63
JZVOL said:
I never said he can't make players better, but if the players don't get better as the original poster stated (I did not say that) it is 100% the coach's fault.

That is a coach's job- to make his players better. I never said Pearl can't make players better or coach them up.
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Unfortunately, you just contradicted yourself so much I'm still left without a clue as to what you are really trying to say.
 
#64
#64
JZVOL said:
Good job ignoring the fact Pearl had three 5* players and two top 50 players on the '07-'08 roster.

That screams lack of talent and taking chances.

You really consider getting a top 50 player as taking a chance?

He had 5 top 50 players on that roster.
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Why did you change the topic of conversation?

First things first, this started with me and VolDad, and then you jumped in. So in case you missed the beginning of the conversation that you weren't involved in, we were talking about McDonalds All-Americans that were interested in UT when CBP took over.

Not about how many top 50 players he had on the 07-08 roster.

Just clearing things up.
 
#65
#65
NewToVolCountry said:
Unfortunately, you just contradicted yourself so much I'm still left without a clue as to what you are really trying to say.
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The original poster said, "it's not Pearl's fault players don't get better."

I was not the one to say it.

I am saying if players do not get get better it 100% is the coach's fault.

I am not saying Pearl can or can't make players better, rather it is the coach's fault, regardless of who the coach is, if his players do not get better.

How is that hard to understand and how am I contradicting myself?
 
#66
#66
JZVOL said:
Good job ignoring the fact Pearl had three 5* players and two top 50 players on the '07-'08 roster.

That screams lack of talent and taking chances.

You really consider getting a top 50 player as taking a chance?

He had 5 top 50 players on that roster.
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Don't anger the Pearlophiles.

They don't like facts.
 
#67
#67
SaintBruce said:
Why did you change the topic of conversation?

First things first, this started with me and VolDad, and then you jumped in. So in case you missed the beginning of the conversation that you weren't involved in, we were talking about McDonalds All-Americans that were interested in UT when CBP took over.

Not about how many top 50 players he had on the 07-08 roster.

Just clearing things up.
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SaintBruce said:
Well. Voldad makes it seem like coaches can pick and choose the best players. It makes it kinda hard when the best players don't even give the school a glance, you know what I mean?

And when you dont get sure-fire 5 stars you end up with a lot of inconsistent players. Which is what we have now.

When he first got here, he had to take chances on guys with "upside" and "potential." But now, thanks to CBP and the job he has done, some top-level talent is starting to look at UT.

See, there is a point. You just need to work on your comprehension skills.
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You said when Bruce first got here he had to take chances on guys with upside.

I pointed out he got two 5* players and a 4* top 50 player in Chism in his FIRST class. That makes three top 50 players.

You add JP who was a 5* player and that makes three 5* players and with Chism and T. Smith gives you 5 top 50 players EARLY in Bruce's tenure.

You said he had to take chances early on and I am asking you how is it "taking a chance" on THREE 5* players or top 50 players?

It's simply not true.
 
#68
#68
JZVOL said:
The original poster said, "it's not Pearl's fault players don't get better."

I was not the one to say it.

I am saying if players do not get get better it 100% is the coach's fault.

I am not saying Pearl can or can't make players better, rather it is the coach's fault, regardless of who the coach is, if his players do not get better.

How is that hard to understand and how am I contradicting myself?
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Maybe the players have no more upside? Maybe their potential has already maxed out? And when you said it is the coaches fault for the players not getting better, you also came across as saying Bruce Pearl can not make his players better.
 
#69
#69
Now if you were to say Pearl had to take some chances because he lost control of his 5* players and had to kick them off the team, that's a different story.
 
#70
#70
NewToVolCountry said:
Maybe the players have no more upside? Maybe their potential has already maxed out? And when you said it is the coaches fault for the players not getting better, you also came across as saying Bruce Pearl can not make his players better.
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Maybe they are more focused on selling drugs. Maybe they are more interested in hanging out around Magnolia. Maybe they are more interested in rap songs. Maybe they can't stop smoking weed.
 
#71
#71
justrabid said:
you should be ashamed....Bruce finished ahead of uk,4 straight years....its not his fault the players dont get better....its not his fault he only has lil Pearl and McBee as subs..next year he has a great class coming and we'll be in the thick of it next year....we might even win a sweet 16 game....Bruce will be SEC COY....:cray:
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It's not his fault the players don't get better? Uh.... yeah, it is. Players get better because of COACHING. Scotty Hopson is a big poon. It's Bruce's job to toughen this kid up. A job that he failed miserably.
 
#72
#72
the.one.the.only said:
It's not his fault the players don't get better? Uh.... yeah, it is. Players get better because of COACHING. Scotty Hopson is a big poon. It's Bruce's job to toughen this kid up. A job that he failed miserably.
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Yea, not sure how hard it is to understand it is a coach's fault if players don't get better.
 
#73
#73
Thought I would weigh in on the argument going on here. I am a huge Pearl fan, but his weaknesses pointed out by a few posters on here are very real.

- Not the best half court coach. U.T. has improved in the half court defense but still struggles mightily on offense.

- Pearl is a great recruiter, but a lot of our best talent gets kicked off the team. This shows lack of discipline.

- The development of players is lacking. Ramar Smith regressed from his freshman year to his sophomore year. Tyler Smith got worse every year. Hopson has not developed, and neither has Prince or Williams etc...

- It is great we have gotten to the tournament every year under Bruce, but have had some disappointing runs in said tournament.

I would not trade Bruce for any coach, but to point out his weaknesses does not make anyone negative or any less of a fan. One more thing, the posters who were mentioned as being negative about Pearl and not contributing to volnation.com actually contribute a great deal to this site and I am thankful for their contributions. Just by 2 cents.
 
#74
#74
NewToVolCountry said:
Maybe the players have no more upside? Maybe their potential has already maxed out? And when you said it is the coaches fault for the players not getting better, you also came across as saying Bruce Pearl can not make his players better.
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It's extremely rare for a player to just show up on campus already playing at his maximum potential.
 
#75
#75
I didn't know it would take me this long to see the light. Fire Pearl now. He clearly is a terrible coach, because he struck out on some recruits. Cause, you know, recruiting to Tennessee is definitely comparable to recruiting to Kentucky and North Carolina and Kansas and Duke and etc. He should just get whoever he wants. How could I have been so dumb?

Its my fault, I just shouldn't have read the thread. I apologize
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