Tennessee under NCAA investigation over use of recruiting hostesses

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utmba93 said:
I do think someone needs to start holding the NCAA accountable for their actions.

It should be the University of Tennessee, but if UT tries, they simply 'iron fist' the school. These NCAA violations are like holding penalties. There are lots that go uncalled, but when the refs decide to throw the flag at a critical juncture in the game, there it is.

If NCAA is doing this to intimidate our recruits, that warrants some reimbursement of any funds lost to their misguided activities. How do they run ram shod over so many schools without ever being held accountable?

Should have studied law perhaps...
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The hostess group should do it and UT should fund their lawyers. I am not a lawyer either, but their 'leak' to a sensationalist writer is going to damage the girls reputations. In other words, this guy gets to write his story and now every girl ever associated with the hostesses is now going to be labeled a prostitute.

To hit back hard Tennessee political figures need to become involved. It does not make Tennessee's Number one academic institution look good and if all they have is some girl holding a sign up at a high school game they can be made to look really bad.

Get Lamar out there to defend these girls and hammer the NCAA about proof right now.
 
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Orangekush423 said:
Good point. My bad. I guess it is there job to host these guys, but doesn't it tie them to the staff to some degree since our staff says who we want and to what degree?
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I doubt the staff shares their recruiting priorities with the hostesses. They basically want all of them to do a good job hosting every recruit to whom they are assigned. If the hostesses are fans, and many are, it's not hard to figure out that Bryce Brown, or others, are among the top recruits in the nation.

If the hostesses had insights into priorities, why don't more of them post here? That's often what we're trying to figure out.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
I don't think for a minute that these girls got up one morning and said, "Hmmmm, maybe we should take a drive over to Brynes to watch some of our commits play, you know, like when they come over here." I don't buy that, but that's just me. Did it come from the coaching staff necessarily, I don't know.
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Maybe it was a stop on the way to the beach. Maybe one of the went to highschool there. Maybe they are a bigger football fan than you and wanted to see a top notch High School Team in person. Maybe they think weekend road trips are fun. Maybe money and gas is not an issue. Maybe they did not like the idea of hanging out at a lame Knoxville party that weekend. Quit being obnoxious.
 
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Someone, program, or institution, not excluding the SEC offices in Birmingham, is using the NCAA, ESPN, and the NYTimes to carry water for them and hurt our football team, program, and recruiting. CLK and staff are not new to the NCAA recruiting rules so they will not take a hit at all of that I'm confident. What this really means is UT is winning the battle of recruiting and additionally about to take over winning on the field. When malfeseance is in operation simply follow the money or ask, "who benefits?" Quickly coming to mind is misters Slive, Saban, and Meyer, closely followed by one mister Spurrier. Whatever the Vols are doing to get this much attention I want them to keep it up and move toward winning and do it within the rules.
 
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VolinArizona said:
Guys, this isn't good in any sense of the word, no matter how you spin it.

While not as bad as what Colorado went through under Barnett, it's going to be looked at just as hard. Do I believe the staff organized this? No, I don't. Does that mean we won't get in trouble? No.

Mike Slive has shown he's going to make an example of Lane Kiffin. This is not a conspiracy theory from me, it's just how it is. It's almost irrefutable. He's gone out of his way to call Kiffin out and make rules in regards to Kiffin's actions. Mark Richt had 20 secondary violations last year. We have 6. LSU paid a player. Tennessee has hostesses going 200 miles away trying to bang prospects. And we're being investigated quickly? We're the ones on ESPN's scroll? We're in the NY Times.

Guys, as unfair as it is, this is bad bad bad for us.
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Who said it isn't. I suspect this was brought to Slive's attention by a coach. Slive can't action it because it is very weak so the story is somehow handed to a known hackjob prick at the times.

Seriously, the sorry peckerhead, Thamel, referenced te message board legend, which is clearly fictitious, of our hostesses as support. This is clearly for incendiary purposes only.
 
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#558
Some of the people who frequent this board are laughable. One piece of negative news and it's like their house of cards implodes.

Let's see where this goes before we talk about how bad it's going to be for UT. We don't even know any of the specifics, and from what it sounds like, it's pretty much a reach considering they won't be able to prove much of anything.
 
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utvolpj said:
if the staff had no knowledge then it's the same as you or me going and doing the same thing.
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Trust me, that's how I see it. I'm with you.

However, hostesses are considered "representatives of the university" and cannot "recruit off campus."

It's BS, but Mike Slive has made no less than 2-3 rules pertaining to actions of Lane Kiffin. What makes you think he won't do something ridiculous about this?
 
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FlVolDoc said:
Find out where Lattimore is committed and you find the source of the information.
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I'd say that would be a good place to start, probably where it ends too. That will be interesting to see where he ends up. Whoever it is gets the douche bag award of all time.
 
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FlVolDoc said:
Find out where Lattimore is committed and you find the source of the information.
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That's what I'm thinking.

No other recruit gave the reporter anything worth printing. The nature of Lattimore's remarks remind me a bit of Alshon Jeffery's comments on UT last year.
 
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DirkDiggler said:
Some of the people who frequent this board are laughable. One piece of negative news and it's like their house of cards implodes.

Let's see where this goes before we talk about how bad it's going to be for UT. We don't even know any of the specifics, and from what it sounds like, it's pretty much a reach considering they won't be able to prove much of anything.
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I've been around for awhile, just haven't posted much in the last year.

Regulars know that I'm about as straight laced, fair, and unpanicked as anybody. This is just not good.
 
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VolinArizona said:
Trust me, that's how I see it. I'm with you.

However, hostesses are considered "representatives of the university" and cannot "recruit off campus."

It's BS, but Mike Slive has made no less than 2-3 rules pertaining to actions of Lane Kiffin. What makes you think he won't do something ridiculous about this?
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Again, Slive has no real recourse here, so it's now in a national paper. Stomping on Slive publicly will have ramifications. Should do it behind the scenes like the older guys.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Who said it isn't. I suspect this was brought to Slive's attention by a coach. Slive can't action it because it is very weak so the story is somehow handed to a known hackjob prick at the times.

Seriously, the sorry peckerhead, Thamel, referenced te message board legend, which is clearly fictitious, of our hostesses as support. This is clearly for incendiary purposes only.
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One hostess has reached what one could reasonably describe as 'legendary' status on this message board.
 
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One of the quotes from the article:

"Does this mean they will bar Lane Kiffin's wife from hosting dinners because she is good-looking? These claims are a joke. They did the same type of thing for me when I was being recruited - as a wrestler - at Columbia - twenty years ago... This is nothing new. Only the media and methods used have changed. The investigation should be how you admit kids who can't string together a sentence with a modicum of grammar."

Guys and Gals, this investigation is a farce. To find the complainer, only look to who is recruiting Lattimore the most, besides Tennessee. That will lead you to who complained.
 
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I dont think it is a big deal. How can you tell a college student to not visit a HS football game. I mean we have what 20,000 students, girl thinks a guy is cute or what ever and wants to see him play.....

It seems I read in one of our threads about a hostess being asked about a recruit and she said she is not suppoesed to discuss recruits or have contact with them. What else can a university do? They have orientation, say what cant be done, make them promise....what ever....but boys will be boys and girls will be girls.....I dont think it is a big deal.

It is us against the world, once again....and we win in that mode!

Go Vols! :clapping:
 
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VolinArizona said:
Trust me, that's how I see it. I'm with you.

However, hostesses are considered "representatives of the university" and cannot "recruit off campus."

It's BS, but Mike Slive has made no less than 2-3 rules pertaining to actions of Lane Kiffin. What makes you think he won't do something ridiculous about this?
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Mike Slive isn't investigating us. So, how is he going to punish us with the NCAA conducting an investigation that thus far has proved nothing.
 
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VolinArizona said:
I've been around for awhile, just haven't posted much in the last year.

Regulars know that I'm about as straight laced, fair, and unpanicked as anybody. This is just not good.
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I didn't know which 'some' he was referencing, but you are pretty level-headed.

We'll try to bring you around on this.

It's simple. Slive wants to nail UT. This is just his latest move on the best evidence he has at his disposal. If UT doesn't get rid of Slive, he'll continue to be a pain in our arse. He's basically CUM's puppet, but if SOS pulls the strings in a way that favors CUM, he'll respond.
 
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Again this will all go down to "what can you prove".

The word "recruiting" will be analyzed greatly as to what it means. Is recruiting just showing up at the game? Is it wearing UT accessories? Is it holding up a sign that says "Come to UT", is it making a in home-visit with the family? Legally this will be very scrutinized aspect of it, if it goes that far.

And the players that they are interviewing (considering it's Lemonier and Smith) will both say that it didn't impact their recruiting whatsoever.

So where will the NCAA go from there? I know others have said it will lead them to look at our program in other areas, but I'm really not concerned. I trust that the Staff isn't maintaining any practices that would be very detrimental to the program.
 
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TennTradition said:
One hostess has reached what one could reasonably describe as 'legendary' status on this message board.
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She has, but it's all tongue in cheek.

I have no doubt that this happened and she was somehow involved. I just can't imagine it gets tied to our staff as wanton disregard for the rules.
 
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All, I understand Slive has no recourse. However, it's all tied together in a way.

NCAA
SEC
Tennessee

That's the ladder.
 
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