Tennessee under NCAA investigation over use of recruiting hostesses

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kiffinator13 said:
This has originated in the minds of rival coaches turning us in to get this investigation started just to cause a PR nightmare for us, imo.
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Where would they get that from though?? I don't frequent other rivals boards, but do they talk about their hostesses in some of the ways that we have seen amongst ourselves?? Rival coaches just don't go to the NCAA without some type of evidence of what is going on, and I'm sure that message boards are probably referred to for fodder for certain instances, this being one of them.
 
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TENNaciousUTfan said:
There aren't "SO MANY" secondaries...not compared to other SEC programs as well as plenty other BCS schools. They're about average. Fulmer had more at times, but you just didn't hear about it. Ours just got spotlighted due to all the verbal jousting from Kiffin and Meyer.

I can tell you right now, Meyer must've really pissed Kiffin off with his low-class attempts to cock-block CLK while Nuke was here on an official visit on OUR dime. That is what this whole thing is about. If reporters want to dig up some juicy stuff, I suggest they go after Meyer and why he felt the need to be such an @$$, knowing full well that Nuke was with UT coaches AT THE UT/UF BBall game...in progress.

It may not be against NCAA rules, but it damn well ought to be. What Meyer did was tantamount to walking up to a girl and start hitting on her right in front of her date...and EXPENSIVE date at that! Anytime a recruit is on an OFFICIAL visit, NCAA rules should bar other schools from contacting those recruits.

That is what got all of this started. CLK has been very complementary toward other SEC coaches, save Spurrier...so Meyer's own shananigans started this feud.
The media knows people like a good fight and thus it boosts ratings to instigate and keep it going as long as possible.

Pretty sure the Gators would be behind this. I doubt the NCAA has reps hanging out on fan message boards looking for something to investigate. Meyer got wind of the hostesses and there were a few photos posted on here where they looked a little chumy...doesn't mean a thing, and in the end I suspect this investigation will be just another Jerry Springer episode...
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The number of secondary violations for one single program in the span of time they were committed is WAY above average. You're completely wrong.
 
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Ohiovol09 said:
Hell if I know... it got pretty bad during the spring with all of the ridiculous secondary violation news. It was all over PTI and such for someone updating Kiff's twitter wrong.
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Oh yeah, you're right about that. They were having an absolute field day with all that...
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Where would they get that from though?? I don't frequent other rivals boards, but do they talk about their hostesses in some of the ways that we have seen amongst ourselves?? Rival coaches just don't go to the NCAA without some type of evidence of what is going on, and I'm sure that message boards are probably referred to for fodder for certain instances, this being one of them.
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Rival coaches are going to use any slight indiscretion they can dream of to hinder another program.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Where would they get that from though?? I don't frequent other rivals boards, but do they talk about their hostesses in some of the ways that we have seen amongst ourselves?? Rival coaches just don't go to the NCAA without some type of evidence of what is going on, and I'm sure that message boards are probably referred to for fodder for certain instances, this being one of them.
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This isn't about how we talk about our hostesses. This is about them traveling to a recruit's game for the purpose of recruiting a prospect and whether they were sent there by the university.

When all is said and done there will not be enough evidence to decide either way.

90% of the time there is a formal investigation into a university by the NCAA that is not of the own university's doing, it is a rival school turning them in.

As far as using this message board in the manner you are, I would think about what this board does for you. Not only are you incorrect, but you're stepping on toes.
 
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Doesn't every school use hostesses? I have a hard time believing that our coaches asked random students to drive a couple hundred miles to go to a high school football game.
 
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Sabanocchio said:
The number of secondary violations for one single program in the span of time they were committed is WAY above average. You're completely wrong.
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When asked about it by the media, concerning the number of violations, BOTH CLK and Hamilton said they were about average compared to other schools. Do I take their word or yours?

Where's your source? Don't have any...as usual. In fact, if memory serves me correctly, while the media was pointing at our secondaries, Georgia had racked up more than we had...hardly a peep was heard about that.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Where would they get that from though?? I don't frequent other rivals boards, but do they talk about their hostesses in some of the ways that we have seen amongst ourselves?? Rival coaches just don't go to the NCAA without some type of evidence of what is going on, and I'm sure that message boards are probably referred to for fodder for certain instances, this being one of them.
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no.
 
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Sabanocchio said:
This isn't about how we talk about our hostesses. This is about them traveling to a recruit's game for the purpose of recruiting a prospect and whether they were sent there by the university.

When all is said and done there will not be enough evidence to decide either way.
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What about the texting that is talked about in the article between the hostesses and recruits?
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Where would they get that from though?? I don't frequent other rivals boards, but do they talk about their hostesses in some of the ways that we have seen amongst ourselves?? Rival coaches just don't go to the NCAA without some type of evidence of what is going on, and I'm sure that message boards are probably referred to for fodder for certain instances, this being one of them.
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You don't think the hostesses visiting SC to see Marcus Lattimore play wouldn't spark a little interest in the USCjr. coaching staff? Use some common sense, man. This did not originate from a message board.
 
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Sabanocchio said:
This isn't about how we talk about our hostesses. This is about them traveling to a recruit's game for the purpose of recruiting a prospect and whether they were sent there by the university.
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Thank you . . . Can we please get off this tin foil hat theory that the NCAA logged onto Volnation and saw a comment about a hostess and launched an investigation?

The NCAA is looking into this because either a recruit or another school made an allegation; not because Jim Bob from Alcoa posted that one of the hostesses looks trashy.
 
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Sabanocchio said:
This isn't about how we talk about our hostesses. This is about them traveling to a recruit's game for the purpose of recruiting a prospect and whether they were sent there by the university.

When all is said and done there will not be enough evidence to decide either way.
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It is to a point, but your right it's not the biggest reason. Sometimes though, the idiocy of some of our fans shine through and give other schools things to throw back at us. I think it maybe made into a big deal depending on what they find. We should see in a bout a month where this goes, maybe even closer to NSD coincidentally.
 
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I don't see why they are interviewing Dunkley, Meline, and Jones. None of the hostesses went to their games. Even if they texted them, what is the NCAA going to say, that Kiffin payed them to text recruits? It's ridiculous.
 
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GAVol said:
Thank you . . . Can we please get off this tin foil hat theory that the NCAA logged onto Volnation and saw a comment about a hostess and launched an investigation?

The NCAA found out because either a recruit or another school told them.
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ding ding ding. We have a winner.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
It is to a point, but your right it's not the biggest reason. Sometimes though, the idiocy of some of our fans shine through and give other schools things to throw back at us. I think it maybe made into a big deal depending on what they find. We should see in a bout a month where this goes, maybe even closer to NSD coincidentally.
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It certainly is not...to any point.

Can this be a big deal potentially? Each time the NCAA investigates you it could potentially be a problem. I just think there will be a lack of evidence in this situation.

Whether they uncover something else during their investigation is what I think we should be concerned about.
 
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TENNaciousUTfan said:
When asked about it by the media, concerning the number of violations, BOTH CLK and Hamilton said they were about average compared to other schools. Do I take their word or yours?
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I think average can be termed loosely. Because secondary violations can occur pretty much anytime. Booster pays for a recruit or player's dinner, giving a kid a UT t-shirt, etc. There are many secondary violations that will never be found out. What makes these cases interesting are the types of secondary violations. But in all circumstances given, it's nothing unusual.

As I alluded to earlier, it sounds as though there is people from other institutions that are griping about this. The problem is with these allegations from the other institutions is that they are doing the same damn thing. They just haven't got caught.

I have learned in my work experience that every school 'cheats' in some degree. It's just a matter of if you get caught or not or who is griping. Being an SEC school, you have to be on your p's and q's compared to a SOCON school.
 
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Sabanocchio said:
Whether they uncover something else during their investigation is what I think we should be concerned about.
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I agree. It's the phrase "wide ranging investigation" that scares me the most. I don't think there's a big time school in the country that want to submit to a "wide ranging investigation" ever.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Not supposed to be legal in regards to them being official representatives of the university and the same guidelines cover their involvement of the recruiting process as well.
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In the context of the messages they are not "official representatives of the university."

If they were going to enforce that in the way you suggest, they would have to penalize most every division I school.
 
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GAVol said:
Thank you . . . Can we please get off this tin foil hat theory that the NCAA logged onto Volnation and saw a comment about a hostess and launched an investigation?

The NCAA is looking into this because either a recruit or another school made an allegation; not because Jim Bob from Alcoa posted that one of the hostesses looks trashy.
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It's not just here that people have referred to certain things about what is being investigated. It's an overall investigation about how hostesses are used here in general, and I'm sure that the way some people refer to them is something that the NCAA is using to look at things as well. It's not a conspiracy theory that the NCAA, the university, or possibly other rival teams read this board and could question some of the things being talked about. Like I said, it's not the only reason, but I'm sure it will be referenced at some point and it's not just here.
 
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