BGSU QB leads MAC?

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Very interesting to hear the commentators on ESPNU talk about how varied and dangerous BGSU's Clawffense is. Their QB has completed over 64% of his passes on the year. Hmmmmmm... wonder what the Fulmerites have to say about that.
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I'm no Fulmerrite but they don't even run the same offense anymore. Clawson's experience at Tennessee showed him that wouldn't work at the D1 level.
 
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Don't forget Freddie Barnes, the nation's leading Collegiate wide receiver, by about 30 or so receptions.
 
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By my count, this is the 248th post with the same underlying meaning. My question, for the 248th time, is, "So what?"

The guy came into UT for a season and the offense was miserable. His short time on the Hill was a failure. Why would anyone who doesn't have a child on the team possibly care about what he does at Bowling Green?
 
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Ydfalconvol said:
I'm a BG Fan, and a Vol fan. I care very much about both.
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Excepted, but I'm guessing that wasn't the sole intended audience of the OP.

Now that I think of it, though, if Clawson goes on to succeed at BG, you have the perfect situation; he will have made both teams better, one by his presence and the other by his absence.
 
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cotton said:
Excepted, but I'm guessing that wasn't the sole intended audience of the OP.

Now that I think of it, though, if Clawson goes on to succeed at BG, you have the perfect situation; he will have made both teams better, one by his presence and the other by his absence.
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True enough, though I'm more of the camp that he didn't hurt this Tennessee program last year. He didn't help it either, of course.


Either way, solid win by the Falcons tonight, beating the Zips 36-20. The win secures bowl-eligibility for BG.

What makes it even just a little bit sweeter is that Akron's QB, Patrick Nicely, a true Freshman, was committed to BG, but backed out in a MAJOR primadonna move when he wasn't called by Coach Clawson within 24 hours of his hire as the new Head Coach. Coach did call him two days later, but apparently Nicely thought that was too long.
 
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I thought this worth posting because so many on VolNation blamed all of our offensive woes on Clawson last year. I love CPF and will always appreciate his serice and loyalty, but it was time for him to go. Also, didn't CPF make some comment at a Michigan function earlier about how things might have worked out if he had hired their OC rather than Clawson? Like I said, wonder what the Fulmerites think about Clawson's success at BGSU.
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Ydfalconvol said:
True enough, though I'm more of the camp that he didn't hurt this Tennessee program last year. He didn't help it either, of course.


Either way, solid win by the Falcons tonight, beating the Zips 36-20. The win secures bowl-eligibility for BG.

What makes it even just a little bit sweeter is that Akron's QB, Patrick Nicely, a true Freshman, was committed to BG, but backed out in a MAJOR primadonna move when he wasn't called by Coach Clawson within 24 hours of his hire as the new Head Coach. Coach did call him two days later, but apparently Nicely thought that was too long.
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I can go with that, i don't think UT'd have been last year had we run the Clawfence as Clawson called it, rather than having CPF edit the plays on their way the field.

Good for Clawson, happy to see him doing well.
 
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Clawson's offense blowed. Only a complete moron would not understand how bad is screws with an offensive lineman's footwork and instinct to switch sides every play. He may have not gotten the plays called he wanted but playcalling was the least of the problems with the Clawfense.
 
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Urinal Mint said:
Clawson's offense blowed. Only a complete moron would not understand how bad is screws with an offensive lineman's footwork and instinct to switch sides every play. He may have not gotten the plays called he wanted but playcalling was the least of the problems with the Clawfense.
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None of my guys ever had a problem with it, and none made it to a higher level of college ball than the MAC.

If something this minor and insignificant caused a complete collapse of offensive football, then the line coach (Adkins) should have been dragged into the street with metal hooks and horsewhipped.
 
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Ohio Vol said:
None of my guys ever had a problem with it, and none made it to a higher level of college ball than the MAC.

If something this minor and insignificant caused a complete collapse of offensive football, then the line coach (Adkins) should have been dragged into the street with metal hooks and horsewhipped.
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Yes I'm sure whatever level you coach at is the same thing as coaching D1 football. It's a big difference. The slightest error in footwork or technique is exposed when you play against top level D1 guys. Switching sides every down screws up most players. It also doubles the mental load on the player.
 
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Urinal Mint said:
Clawson's offense blowed. Only a complete moron would not understand how bad is screws with an offensive lineman's footwork and instinct to switch sides every play. He may have not gotten the plays called he wanted but playcalling was the least of the problems with the Clawfense.
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you calling me a moron? you're gonna get in trouble for that.

I don't buy it. TE's flip flop. Depending on the play, guys might block down or reach block... they can figure out which foot to move first.

I could be wrong, but I still don't think that would make me a moron.
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the results of Clawful's offense while here cant be disputed
it sucked, and the win, loss record, NCAA stat's prove it
 
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vol_in_il said:
the results of Clawful's offense while here cant be disputed
it sucked, and the win, loss record, NCAA stat's prove it
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You do realize he runs multiple offenses? You also realize he sent several players to the pros from smaller colleges. You should also realize many people think he is an offensive genius.
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Vols520 said:
You do realize he runs multiple offenses? You also realize he sent several players to the pros from smaller colleges. You should also realize many people think he is an offensive genius.
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those that think he's a genius, should review his 2008 efforts
 
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Vols520 said:
You do realize he runs multiple offenses? You also realize he sent several players to the pros from smaller colleges. You should also realize many people think he is an offensive genius.
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vol_in_il said:
those that think he's a genius, should review his 2008 efforts
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I believe that his 2008 efforts were hampered by CPF shackles.
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Ydfalconvol said:
True enough, though I'm more of the camp that he didn't hurt this Tennessee program last year. He didn't help it either, of course.
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VolMax said:
I thought this worth posting because so many on VolNation blamed all of our offensive woes on Clawson last year.
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That's what I don't understand. The guy's short tenure was a failure. He was the perfect example of subtraction by addition, as we got markedly worse on offense in every way once he arrived.

Whether that was because he was a bad fit or a bad coach doesn't matter.

EDIT: Unless you are a BG fan, falcon.
 
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Ha. Thanks for the qualifier.

In my view, last year was bound to happen sooner or later anyway. The 2007 season seemed more the result of a perfect storm kind of scenario where the Vols put together an improbable and very impressive end-run to just barely clinch the SEC East crown. (Not that I didn't enjoy every bit of it, just saying if it weren't for a certain measure of luck, that year would not have seemed so impressive.)

On top of that, from what I've heard, the players, in an environment allowed by other coaches and some fans as well, decided they knew better than their coach anyway and were too stubborn to put more than a very casual effort into actually learning Clawson's system. Kind of the old "That's not how we do things in Tennessee," situation where they decided they weren't going to go along with the program. Add Fulmer's likely restriction of Clawson, and then the lack of confidence the team had after a few big losses early on, it went from a rough situation to an even worse one very fast. Since then, I've definitely noticed that Coach Kiffin has changed the attitude of the program and holds his players responsible, instead of letting them think their feces don't smell and they can decide for themselves whether or not to listen to their coaches.

Either way, I am still glad for what happened last year at UT, in terms of the longer lasting effects of it. It got Phil out, and brought Coach Clawson to BG. Both programs seem to be headed in a much better direction under their respective new head coaches.


Edit: All the same, I am of the camp where I get tired of seeing this argument brought up over and over. Both the Tennessee and Bowling Green football programs have moved on from ugly scenarios last year and former Head Coaches whose time had come. It's 2009 now, and nothing that happens this year has any effect on last year, whether you're talking about Northwestern Ohio or Eastern Tennessee.
 
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it was a Friday night... I was bored so I thought we could beat a dead horse for entertainment.
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Ydfalconvol said:
Ha. Thanks for the qualifier.

In my view, last year was bound to happen sooner or later anyway. The 2007 season seemed more the result of a perfect storm kind of scenario where the Vols put together an improbable and very impressive end-run to just barely clinch the SEC East crown. (Not that I didn't enjoy every bit of it, just saying if it weren't for a certain measure of luck, that year would not have seemed so impressive.)

On top of that, from what I've heard, the players, in an environment allowed by other coaches and some fans as well, decided they knew better than their coach anyway and were too stubborn to put more than a very casual effort into actually learning Clawson's system. Kind of the old "That's not how we do things in Tennessee," situation where they decided they weren't going to go along with the program. Add Fulmer's likely restriction of Clawson, and then the lack of confidence the team had after a few big losses early on, it went from a rough situation to an even worse one very fast. Since then, I've definitely noticed that Coach Kiffin has changed the attitude of the program and holds his players responsible, instead of letting them think their feces don't smell and they can decide for themselves whether or not to listen to their coaches.

Either way, I am still glad for what happened last year at UT, in terms of the longer lasting effects of it. It got Phil out, and brought Coach Clawson to BG. Both programs seem to be headed in a much better direction under their respective new head coaches.


Edit: All the same, I am of the camp where I get tired of seeing this argument brought up over and over. Both the Tennessee and Bowling Green football programs have moved on from ugly scenarios last year and former Head Coaches whose time had come. It's 2009 now, and nothing that happens this year has any effect on last year, whether you're talking about Northwestern Ohio or Eastern Tennessee.
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Nice post, YD.. Well said. Fulmer didn't want Dave, and it didn't work well for anyone...but as a result, UT and BGSU are better off.
 
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Urinal Mint said:
Yes I'm sure whatever level you coach at is the same thing as coaching D1 football. It's a big difference. The slightest error in footwork or technique is exposed when you play against top level D1 guys. Switching sides every down screws up most players. It also doubles the mental load on the player.
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That's absolutely ridiculous on many levels.

For one thing, I've got guys in D-1. So I have coached D-1 football players. I've also coached against a sizable number of D-1 football players with non-future college players opposing them.

Second, according to your complete lack of logic, a tight end would never be able to play both the right and left side, linebackers and defensive linemen would never be able to flip sides, the secondary could never rotate, and receivers and running backs could never go both ways.

Third, the idea that it doubles the mental load is ridiculous. Know why? Every playbook has the same plays able to go to either side. If there's a 30 trap, there's a 31 trap. If there's a 26 toss, there's a 27 toss. If the mental load of playing both sides is too much to handle, then no team could run the same play to both sides.

VolMax said:
you calling me a moron? you're gonna get in trouble for that.

I don't buy it. TE's flip flop. Depending on the play, guys might block down or reach block... they can figure out which foot to move first.

I could be wrong, but I still don't think that would make me a moron.
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You're right, which would make the moron-caller less than astute himself.
 
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