Kiffin Blown Away By Hatred For Crompton.

#26
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notaguru2 said:
After reading that article... maybe I've been a bit strong in my criticism of Crompton. When you're frustrated, you tend to want to exact that frustration on someone or pinpoint the cause of the frustration.

In this case, it may not be as simple as, "Crompton is the problem".

I'll cool the jets and take this weekend's loss like an adult and hopefully we'll win some games down the road. I didn't expect Crompton to make a miraculous turnaround in the off season, but somehow my posts say otherwise.

I need to get back to reality. I don't hate JC. I just don't think we can win with him. Unfortunately, our cupboard is bare. We should realize this and just enjoy the season to the best of our ability.
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:good!:
 
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oklavol said:
I'm trying to figure out what happened between game 1 and game 2 myself.
He looks like a new man game 1, 5 TD's. Then next game 3 interceptions.
Is it QB pressure? The pass coverage? The pressure from the fans?
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If you recall, the WKU game did not start well for him either. Difference was the caliber team we were playing allowed him to make a lot of positve plays after that, and he did play well.

Our OL did not help him much in the UCLA game, and for that matter CLK didn't either. Against WKU, CLK give him several chances to make big plays, and they were their to make. This was after starting slow. When he got to that point in the UCLA game, when he needed a boost of confidence, he made mistake after mistake, and CLK could have pulled the reins back a little quicker. I think CLK alluded to this after the game. I said this in another thread that I think CLK has more confidence in JC, than JC does. Looks like it will be put to the test.
 
#29
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PrattvilleVol said:
Cromp has as much athletic talent as any QB in the NCAA. He has to do three things IMO to turn the corner:

1. Flush the confidence boogers out of his head.
2. Quit staring down receivers
3. Most importantly...throw the ball with natural aim, rhythm and instinct like he is in his backyard instead of aiming and forcing passes!!
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the biggest problem i see with him
 
#30
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GmanTN said:
Crompton Career Stats @ UT are: 178/299/1,709 yds 14TD's 14 INT's
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What are his stats against non-cupcakes or just the SEC? Just curious.

That's 59.5% completion average... not fantastic, but could be worse. The killer is the TD to INT ratio.
 
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Vol-in-Bham said:
What are his stats against non-cupcakes or just the SEC? Just curious.

That's 59.5% completion average... not fantastic, but could be worse. The killer is the TD to INT ratio.
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2008 - Games/Starts - 8/6 ... Started at quarterback in first four games and final two ... Threw for 189 yards and set career-highs in attempts (41) and completions (19) in season-opener at UCLA ... Set career-high with 240 passing yards in home-opener against UAB ... Finished game 19-of-31 with two touchdowns and two interceptions ... Finished 18-of-28 for 162 yards and rushed seven times for 22 yards against Florida ... Career long 15-yard rush against Auburn ... Efficient 6-of-8 for 101 yards and one touchdown in finale against Kentucky.

2007 - Games/Starts: 7/0 ... Saw action as reserve in seven games ... Finished season 7-of-12 passing for 98 yards and one touchdown ... Completed 3-of-4 passes for 68 yards and his touchdown pass versus Louisiana-Lafayette ... Strong runner as well, and his abilities have been used each of his first two seasons.

2006 - Games/Starts: 7/1 ... Saw first action of career in season-opener against California, passing for seven yards on two completions and also rushing twice for six yards ... Came in at end of Memphis game, completing both of his passes for 37 yards with completion of 27 yards to Quintin Hancock ... Vols finished combined 25-of-29 passing that day for 361 yards and four touchdowns with no interceptions ... After injury to Erik Ainge, played final series at South Carolina ... Entered LSU game in second quarter ... Threw two touchdown passes to Robert Meachem, the latter a 54-yarder to give Vols lead in fourth quarter ... Finished game 11-of-24 for 183 yards, two touchdowns and one interception ... Made first career start against Arkansas ... Threw for 174 yards and two touchdowns against Razorbacks ... Also played at Vanderbilt.
 
#32
#32
He is an equal opportunist when throwing INT's he spreads it around for everyone.
 
#33
#33
I want Crompton to do well because he plays for Tennessee, but he has yet to show me any signs of being able to play SEC caliber football.
 
#34
#34
One of his strengths has been the long ball. He did quite well against LSU throwing deep.

One of the recent problems is the "dink and dunk" short pass -- which is going right into the massive 8-10 defenders in the box. That leads to those passes getting picked off.

watching the game saturday, the receivers looked lazy - the "stupid" pass all the way across the field the receiver sat and waited for it, while the defender charged in front and took it away. Instead of throwing 45 yards across field (for what might have been a 5 yard gain), throw it 45 yds downfield. Back the defenders up some and make them respect the deep ball again. This will open up the running game (and short passing attack). If they play tight against the WR on the line, pump fake and hit our guy on the fly (Ainge did that a couple times with good success). Can't let them
 
#35
#35
oklavol said:
I'm trying to figure out what happened between game 1 and game 2 myself.
He looks like a new man game 1, 5 TD's. Then next game 3 interceptions.
Is it QB pressure? The pass coverage? The pressure from the fans?
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His stats looked good from game 1, but he still missed throws in that game. The biggest difference was the WKU defense was so weak that they could not take advantage of Crompton's miscues in game 1. If Kiffin continues to start him, I'll support him. (I don't believe in the boo birds.) But man, I wish Kiffin had a better option to try.
 
#36
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hmanvolfan said:
Very nice... :clap:
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Thanks Hman...I only say this because i had the same problem 120 yrs ago as a HS QB and later playing softball. Its kind of like having a picture perfect practice golf swing and as soon as you step over the ball to hit it you look like you have Tourettes Syndrome. :)
 
#38
#38
7thgroupvolfan said:
I remember the days when Tennessee would throw a bomb on the first play of the game. I really miss those days:cray:
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Peyton threw one to the house on the first play from scrimmage one year. You could hear a pin drop in the stadium. (the rest of the story wasn't so storybook though)
 
#39
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PrattvilleVol said:
Cromp has as much athletic talent as any QB in the NCAA. He has to do three things IMO to turn the corner:

1. Flush the confidence boogers out of his head.
2. Quit staring down receivers
3. Most importantly...throw the ball with natural aim, rhythm and instinct like he is in his backyard instead of aiming and forcing passes!!
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As far as staring down WRs,

Im not sure that is fixable at this point. At least not to the degree we expect. i think that is taught earlier in the career, and sometimes is just a natural talent. Hes been here 5 yrs. now, pretty sure he has had this explained to him.
 
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PrattvilleVol said:
Thanks Hman...I only say this because i had the same problem 120 yrs ago as a HS QB and later playing softball. Its kind of like having a picture perfect practice golf swing and as soon as you step over the ball to hit it you look like you have Tourettes Syndrome. :)
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Nooooooooooo... please, no comparisons to Charles Barkley's golf swing.
 
#41
#41
Listen, I was one of the first to really start critizing Fulmer but this a player. We can't fire or trade him, so we might as well support him. We are only making things worse by critizing him! The last time I checked, we aren't paying him any money and we probably don't have anyone better so lets just support Crompton and hope we get some great QB's in the future.
 
#42
#42
kiffincrazy28 said:
I wonder if Crompton just had a bad game? i mean come on Peyton Manning has bad games Jay Cutler is a good quarterback and threw 3 Int's the other night im telling you lets trust this kid and just believe in him he has what it takes he just needs to go through with it.
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The bigger question is can he have a GOOD game?
 
#43
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BeecherVol said:
As far as staring down WRs,

Im not sure that is fixable at this point. At least not to the degree we expect. i think that is taught earlier in the career, and sometimes is just a natural talent. Hes been here 5 yrs. now, pretty sure he has had this explained to him.
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Bingo
 
#44
#44
I have meet John and even got to watch a minor league Baseball game with he and Wes Brown last year. They are both outstanding young men who really do care about the University of Tennessee. I wish that John could get things turned around more for himself than us the fans. His confidence in himself has to be shaken if not destoryed. I know that we are all quick to blame the qb when things aren't going well but he is only one of 22 guys that are on the field. I really feel that he is doing his best and I wish him and the rest of the Vols the best of luck this Saturday and for the season.

P.S. Guys we should never boo our boys. They are suppose to get that at away games, not at Neyland.
 
#45
#45
UT IE 95 said:
Huh? Note to Kiffin: This is the SEC. Win or suffer the consequences.
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He is a college kid giving his all for the team and the university. People like you should crawl back under the rock you slithered out from under.Get a life and shut up!

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#46
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jmoore_21 said:
Game 1 we played against basically a high school football team.

Game 2 we played against a mid level Pac-10 team. If he throws 3 int's against their defense what is he going to do against a Florida defense that is returning all 11 starters? You know their going to stack the box & dare us to throw it, & right now i dont think any of us have any confidence in Crompton making the right decisions & a good throw when he will have to pass it Saturday.
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I agree was a big change in competition. But he played better against WKU then he's ever played.
I agree Florida is the best Defense he will see all year.

IBlvNTmWrk said:
Based on quite a few of the posts I've seen on this site, hate is probably a fair word to use. It's unfortunate that some fans can't separate their dissatisfaction with a player's performance from the actual person.
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Fans have strong feelings but I tend to believe no one hates him.

BeecherVol said:
If you recall, the WKU game did not start well for him either. Difference was the caliber team we were playing allowed him to make a lot of positve plays after that, and he did play well.

Our OL did not help him much in the UCLA game, and for that matter CLK didn't either. Against WKU, CLK give him several chances to make big plays, and they were their to make. This was after starting slow. When he got to that point in the UCLA game, when he needed a boost of confidence, he made mistake after mistake, and CLK could have pulled the reins back a little quicker. I think CLK alluded to this after the game. I said this in another thread that I think CLK has more confidence in JC, than JC does. Looks like it will be put to the test.
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Does seem like he didn't lose his confidence as quickly against WKU. Maybe he doesn't react well to pressure in the pocket, he saw a lot more pressure against UCLA.

If LK benches Crompton he's done for the year. I think LK knows what that would do to his confidence.

BJSforVols said:
His stats looked good from game 1, but he still missed throws in that game. The biggest difference was the WKU defense was so weak that they could not take advantage of Crompton's miscues in game 1. If Kiffin continues to start him, I'll support him. (I don't believe in the boo birds.) But man, I wish Kiffin had a better option to try.
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What stood out to me, between the 2 games, was the accuracy, aka % complete. There were more drops, wrong routes against UCLA, but he didn't throw the ball as accurately.
 
#47
#47
hmanvolfan said:
That's fine but the topic here is the personal crap he's gotten from some of the lunatic fringe so called fans. That's uncalled for. If he can't get the job done put somebody else in at that position and move along. All the name calling and death threats shouldn't be happening.
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This +1,000,000 Believe it or not, the Vols are a team!! One man did not lose that game by himself...did he help us win? Well maybe not...but JC did not lose that game by himself. Coach Kiffin WILL adjust his gameplan to get Crompton some easy throws. If crompton gets 2 more seconds of protection...I think he makes fewer mistakes. I just don't think he is at the level of making his reads that quickly. That is asking a lot of our offensive line, but I believe they can do it. Let's not forget, he played against a great LSU team in '06 and performed well (Jonathan Crompton 11 of 24 with 1 INT, 183YDS 2TD's). As much as some people don't believe it, he IS "Crompitent". So let's have a little faith in our quarterback. I mean, Kiffin has faith in him...why shouldn't we?
 
#48
#48
If he's our QB I'll support him.

If your wondering why so many balls get batted down at the line of scrimmage. He never checks the 2nd or 3rd man. The opposing d'line knows where he's throwing the ball and so do the opposing D'backs.

I seriouly can't understand why such a highly recruited QB outta HS and now in his senior year at one of the premire colleges in the country would still be having this problem.
 
#49
#49
Here's my take on Crompton....

I can't wait until he's no longer the QB at my beloved University of Tennessee, but while he is the QB I will do my best to support him. He is just a kid who is trying his best. His best obviously isn't good enough, but being an amateur athlete IS enough for me to keep from bashing him on radio, tv, or on the street.

One thing to remember also (as Arian Foster's mom can attest), this is someone's child! I know he sucks, you know he sucks, the whole world knows he cannot hit the broad side of a barn.... but don't hammer him like he isn't a human being. Use the "Golden Rule" and treat him as if you'd want your son or daughter to be treated, please.
 
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