The Unexpected Benefit of NIL Money

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Special Ed said:
For one thing, the recreational use of cannabis has recently been legalized or decriminalized in the less backward states.
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Legalizing weed doesn’t hurt my feelings a bit, but to suggest states not legalizing it are “backwards” is silly. The numbers show it doesn’t really positively or negatively impact anything for the most part. It’s still just people “getting high”. Nothing more, nothing less.

It’s not usually the “goal oriented” crowds that gather at these head shops. A bunch of basement dwellers in Jammie’s and toboggans to glazed to see one another. Yes, I know there are exceptions for medical reasons, etc.
 
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utvols74 said:
I wonder if there is a correlation between states that have legalized/decriminalized cannabis and traffic accidents due to DUI. Hummmm.....
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There have been a number of studies that show accidents and fatalities both increased in states that relaxed laws on pot use compared to surrounding states that did not change laws. My experience having these debates on pot use = folks who are pro legalizing do not care about any studies that do not support their already held views. Every study that does not support either side of the debate will be dismissed as flawed, funded by some corrupt group . conclusion= it's impossible to have an honest debate on pot use because folks have already made up their minds and there ain't no changing them.
 
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volfeeva said:
There have been a number of studies that show accidents and fatalities both increased in states that relaxed laws on pot use compared to surrounding states that did not change laws. My experience having these debates on pot use = folks who are pro legalizing do not care about any studies that do not support their already held views. Every study that does not support either side of the debate will be dismissed as flawed, funded by some corrupt group . conclusion= it's impossible to have an honest debate on pot use because folks have already made up their minds and there ain't no changing them.
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Forget DUIs. Lung cancer.

Smoking/vaping is the stupidest way to deliver a drug and proven to lead to numerous lung issues which are expensive to society as a whole.

THC is a relatively meh drug and like a lot of drugs has some good uses and some entertaining side effects. As a brownie, gummie, etc it's shrug drug for me.

It's unfortunate that it's culturally linked to smoking which is just a dumb thing to do.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Forget DUIs. Lung cancer.

Smoking/vaping is the stupidest way to deliver a drug and proven to lead to numerous lung issues which are expensive to society as a whole.

THC is a relatively meh drug and like a lot of drugs has some good uses and some entertaining side effects. As a brownie, gummie, etc it's shrug drug for me.

It's unfortunate that it's culturally linked to smoking which is just a dumb thing to do.
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Yes, smoking anything is not smart. Now studies are saying more widespread MJ usage will likely lead to more younger age dementia cases.
 
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MurphyVol said:
Yes, smoking anything is not smart. Now studies are saying more widespread MJ usage will likely lead to more younger age dementia cases.
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As legality increases (read: funding money for favorable studies like other drugs) I'm sure we'll see studies showing more benefits and hopefully honestly showing the risks. It's not a drug I would recommend but it's not "Reefer Madness" bad, IMO.

Much of the resistance to legalization is related to Big Pharma/Big Healthcare not getting a piece of the pie from social drugs, though they disguise it as a liberal/conservative issue. Find a way for the big players to get a piece of the money and it'll become unAmerican not to support legalization.
 
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EastTNVol6240 said:
It’s not usually the “goal oriented” crowds that gather at these head shops. A bunch of basement dwellers in Jammie’s and toboggans to glazed to see one another. Yes, I know there are exceptions for medical reasons, etc.
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Man, the real world may shock you. CEOs are one of the highest set of users. Lawyers too. Billionaires these days are off their rockers lol.

Maybe a reflection of stress, but this is just silly. Meth...heroin...opioids, yup you won't get much done. What you see at headshops is no different than a bunch of folks at a bar on a tuesday night. And the younger generation is drinking less than ever before, so there's hope.
 
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volfeeva said:
There have been a number of studies that show accidents and fatalities both increased in states that relaxed laws on pot use compared to surrounding states that did not change laws. My experience having these debates on pot use = folks who are pro legalizing do not care about any studies that do not support their already held views. Every study that does not support either side of the debate will be dismissed as flawed, funded by some corrupt group . conclusion= it's impossible to have an honest debate on pot use because folks have already made up their minds and there ain't no changing them.
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Colorado was such a wild experiment in this whole thing. Not saying it was good or bad. Just wild thing to spectate from afar.

You’re right about traffic accidents. Drivers under influence of weed outpaced alcohol related drivers.

Of course the whole thing passed under guise of education funding getting a cut of the revenues and overestimations resulting in shortfalls

The issue with weed legalization overall is it should be passed if and only if the tax revenue goes into a pot (no pun intended) / piggy bank for 3 years to see what kind of baselines they can get annually.

I personally am of the position it should be legalized and taxed the hell out of.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Weed is for sissies and cowards
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There are fellow soldier buddies of mine from the Vietnam days (Vietnam Daze as we call it) who were prescribed cannabis for PTSD.
You'll want to be careful about calling any of them, or any other combat veteran, a sissy or a coward.
If you dare to insult my friend who was a sniper, I suggest you do so from a VERY long distance.
 
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Special Ed said:
There are fellow soldier buddies of mine from the Vietnam days (Vietnam Daze as we call it) who were prescribed cannabis for PTSD.
You'll want to be careful about calling any of them, or any other combat veteran, a sissy or a coward.
If you dare to insult my friend who was a sniper, I suggest you do so from a VERY long distance.
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I’d call him those things and immediately show him where you put me up to it and apologize for my involvement.

Have we fought in any wars since Korea that didn’t involve narcotics trade?
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Colorado was such a wild experiment in this whole thing. Not saying it was good or bad. Just wild thing to spectate from afar.

You’re right about traffic accidents. Drivers under influence of weed outpaced alcohol related drivers.

Of course the whole thing passed under guise of education funding getting a cut of the revenues and overestimations resulting in shortfalls

The issue with weed legalization overall is it should be passed if and only if the tax revenue goes into a pot (no pun intended) / piggy bank for 3 years to see what kind of baselines they can get annually.

I personally am of the position it should be legalized and taxed the hell out of.
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Making pot legal based on the hopes of tax dollars increasing is the absolute worst reason IMHO to act on it. It should be legalized based on it being safe and ok for public use, or not at all. States like California taxed and regulated pot so much that the pot industry has all but failed because more folks were buying it on the streets. Tax dollars seldom get used in the most logical way they were intended ( see California's High speed rail project )
 
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volfeeva said:
Making pot legal based on the hopes of tax dollars increasing is the absolute worst reason IMHO to act on it. It should be legalized based on it being safe and ok for public use, or not at all. States like California taxed and regulated pot so much that the pot industry has all but failed because more folks were buying it on the streets. Tax dollars seldom get used in the most logical way they were intended ( see California's High speed rail project )
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Meh, both alcohol and cigarettes are nowhere near safe but here we are. They bring in all kinds of tax money and still don't match the toll they take in lives, lost work from illness and burying relatives, addictions, etc.

It's cultural too. SHOULD THC be a mainstream drug? I think that ship has smoked on out of the harbor. It is mainstream now because lots of kids from the 60s/70s never quit and their kids saw that and started and so on.

People I never dreamed would use THC, use THC. Pastors I've known, former LEO I know, educators, doctors, nurses, etc. I'm not saying it's good, I'm saying it's ingrained in the culture now.

I hope for more legitimate studies so we can know what we're facing with long-term use because stopping alcohol didn't work and stopping weed won't work either.
 
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volfeeva said:
Making pot legal based on the hopes of tax dollars increasing is the absolute worst reason IMHO to act on it. It should be legalized based on it being safe and ok for public use, or not at all. States like California taxed and regulated pot so much that the pot industry has all but failed because more folks were buying it on the streets. Tax dollars seldom get used in the most logical way they were intended ( see California's High speed rail project )
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I don’t have a problem with legalizing something to increase tax revenues. I have an issue with legalizing something to pay for something. Especially something that’s a usage tax.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Meh, both alcohol and cigarettes are nowhere near safe but here we are. They bring in all kinds of tax money and still don't match the toll they take in lives, lost work from illness and burying relatives, addictions, etc.

It's cultural too. SHOULD THC be a mainstream drug? I think that ship has smoked on out of the harbor. It is mainstream now because lots of kids from the 60s/70s never quit and their kids saw that and started and so on.

People I never dreamed would use THC, use THC. Pastors I've known, former LEO I know, educators, doctors, nurses, etc. I'm not saying it's good, I'm saying it's ingrained in the culture now.

I hope for more legitimate studies so we can know what we're facing with long-term use because stopping alcohol didn't work and stopping weed won't work either.
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Yeah, ingesting anything via smoking thru the lungs is off the charts dumb IMHO. It' blows me away when I see athletes get busted smoking weed .But since around the 1980's most employers began to test for drugs pre-hire and also randomly on the job, so THC is a no no unless you have one of the few jobs that doesn't test.
 
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