Recruiting Forum Football Talk IX

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#68,877
overseasorange2 said:
Anybody ever watch Joey Petersen on YouTube? I wonder about his titles such as "Great News for UT", "This is Massive", "Fantastic Vol news", etc. They are greatly exaggerated. Most of the time it's stuff like Heupel recruiting during the bye week(No Dah), or such and such might come back this year (Really?), or a highly ranked player has UT on his top 10 list. Come on! Those titles are greatly exaggerated. Why not such titles when all the UT players are not sick, or nobody kicked the can recently, etc.? Somebody is stretching for breaking, significant, news! The boy who cried wolf! 🤫 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
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Petersen's HUGE News yesterday was that Lagway will be the Florida QB for the game. NO DAH! Where do you get this stunning inside Info? 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 In other BREAKING news......

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Weezer said:
If McCoy can play and is choosing not to play, that sucks. Feels like he's letting his teammates and this fanbase down, while getting paid. BUT, I'm not sure how we know what the truth is without McCoy or Heupel or another credible source confirming it. Sorry, but some anonymous guy on a message board does not qualify as a credible source. If he's not been cleared, he's not been cleared. And I wouldn't want him to reinjure himself and jeopardize his future by rushing back when his body isn't ready. I just hope it's legit that he's not been cleared. Finding out different would definitely reshape my opinion of him as a person and a player. IF you can play and choose not to, it flies in the face of "I will give my all for Tennessee today". Don't tap the sign unless you mean it.
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See, this is exactly the problem with the ‘insider information’ narrative that McCoy quit on the team and is just training for the NFL. The guy had ACL surgery in the offseason. To claim that anyone knew he was sitting out the season to ‘train for the NFL’ only 6–7 months after ACL reconstruction isn’t inside info, it’s a lie dressed up as credibility.

I’m not pushing back because he brought negative news. I’m pushing back because he’s spreading harmful, baseless information and calling it fact.

The second he tore his ACL, the likelihood of him playing this season dropped dramatically. Look at any data set on ACL recovery timelines for NFL players and most don’t return until 9–12 months. So turning around and accusing him of using Tennessee to ‘pay for his NFL training’ because he didn’t come back faster than the average NFL professional isn’t insight. It’s attention-seeking narcissism disguised as reporting.
 
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Everyone on social media has one or more motives. The problem of good or bad news is more in the motivation of the messenger, than the info itself. If the info always comes with an agenda, people pick up on that and become reflexively hostile, particularly with negative news. Delivery matters too. Don't think too many would get mad at "Folks closer to the program think it's likely that McCoy won't play again. We'll see." Statement of fact. People closer than most of us don't think he'll play. Sucks, but fine. When you start wrapping it in passive-aggressive language, self aggrandizement, martyr language, painful repetition, or use the info to attack a secondary agenda ("CGE sucks!", "Heupel never plays freshman") then clearly you have motive beyond simply sharing what you know. People sense that and push back.
 
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Weezer said:
If McCoy can play and is choosing not to play, that sucks. Feels like he's letting his teammates and this fanbase down, while getting paid. BUT, I'm not sure how we know what the truth is without McCoy or Heupel or another credible source confirming it. Sorry, but some anonymous guy on a message board does not qualify as a credible source. If he's not been cleared, he's not been cleared. And I wouldn't want him to reinjure himself and jeopardize his future by rushing back when his body isn't ready. I just hope it's legit that he's not been cleared. Finding out different would definitely reshape my opinion of him as a person and a player. IF you can play and choose not to, it flies in the face of "I will give my all for Tennessee today". Don't tap the sign unless you mean it.
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1. Heupel will never say that he sat even if he is. You want to say you have a first round corner.

2. Very true on believing a poster of directed at me. My source does not talk to medical people or have close relationships with all on staff, He talks to more higher ups and $$ pushers and older people around the program.

3. You will never know the full truth as his camp would never say I took money and planned to sit. And our staff would never diminish a first round corners rep so they can prop him up in the NFL.
 
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RandomUTfan said:
You're not going to get anyone to agree with that I predict, but I will absolutely concede there's a great possibility we would. I think Schiano's lack of success this time around at Rutgers has to do with the limitations at every job that's now limited: NIL. He was actually doing alright when he first took back over. I thought the PSU nonsense was just moral grandstanding (isn't' there a word for that?) because the fans thought they could hire a better coach than Currie. Turns out the guy they were just fine with was exponentially worse.
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I can’t speak for everyone, and wasn’t part of the twitter or whatever it’s called revolt, but I don’t EVER want anyone who knew about multiple children getting raped at the football facility where he was working, and ignored it, to be hired by the University of Tennessee. So no, it wasn’t nonsense.
 
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SmyrnaATLVolisback said:
Here come the full press to make sure it doesn’t look like he sat out all year:

“He keeps trying to give it a go and the knee has swelling. So he has to shut it down.”

Swelling is so bad and continuous that he keeps practicing every week and has been for most of the season….. hmmmmm
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Funny how the narrative is now changing...

I said over a month ago that if he's just preparing for the NFL, then fine, but no more NIL checks and he can go down the street to the gym and train but still keep his education scholly... The mindset these days is so beta and soft, those that come to his defense are of the younger generation... He's getting a free education and a lot of money, you can't have it both ways... He signed up to get paid to play if at all possible, to help his team win games, earning that money, not "well, I am worried about my long term career, so my team will have to do without me, but I'm gonna use the facilities, trainers, rehab facility, weights, food, still collect those checks, etc to get me ready for MY career...

Do folks not realize how many true VFL's have grinded through injuries over the years, playing hurt because they love the University, their teammates, and made a commitment? I personally know a few and they aren't about this type of mindset these days... And most were not getting openly paid a lot of money, if any at all back then...

I'm sorry, ya'll can come at me for a second time, but I won't change my mind on this. You think a NFL team lets players who are injured but can come back and play just decide on their own that they want to rehab and take advantage of all things of that program, continue to get paid their salary, but that THEY get to decide when they want to come back and play? GTFO... In before the betas say again, "well, it will do damage to recruiting because recruits will see this and it won't look good and we will look better if he gets drafted first round wearing TN across his chest".... If recruits look at a player being all about himself and using the University for his longterm advantage, getting paid, but not earning the money when he absolutely can and should, then I don't want them... that is just feeding the self-centered mindset of the world revolves around me...
 
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UTSuave’ said:
Who’s going to come here if we get labeled as not giving freshmen a fair shot at earning the starting position when the lights come on?…look around you man Fulmer is gone!…other schools are paying more than us and starting freshman talent working the kinks out as they progress through the season.it’s important we have some kind of pitch to these guys at least until we become elite and with how college football is looking it’s not good chief.
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I am confused. My disagreement was that we needed to go out and pay big money from a P5 school to get a QB to come in. I do not think we need to create a stop gap at QB that costs big money and creates a barrier for the 2 young QB's. We need to get a very experienced QB from a lower level school that will not cost much money. Then let all 3 compete.
 
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volinbama256 said:
Funny how the narrative is now changing...

I said over a month ago that if he's just preparing for the NFL, then fine, but no more NIL checks and he can go down the street to the gym and train but still keep his education scholly... The mindset these days is so beta and soft, those that come to his defense are of the younger generation... He's getting a free education and a lot of money, you can't have it both ways... He signed up to get paid to play if at all possible, to help his team win games, earning that money, not "well, I am worried about my long term career, so my team will have to do without me, but I'm gonna use the facilities, trainers, rehab facility, weights, food, still collect those checks, etc to get me ready for MY career...

Do folks not realize how many true VFL's have grinded through injuries over the years, playing hurt because they love the University, their teammates, and made a commitment? I personally know a few and they aren't about this type of mindset these days... And most were not getting openly paid a lot of money, if any at all back then...

I'm sorry, ya'll can come at me for a second time, but I won't change my mind on this. You think a NFL team lets players who are injured but can come back and play just decide on their own that they want to rehab and take advantage of all things of that program, continue to get paid their salary, but that THEY get to decide when they want to come back and play? GTFO... In before the betas say again, "well, it will do damage to recruiting because recruits will see this and it won't look good and we will look better if he gets drafted first round wearing TN across his chest".... If recruits look at a player being all about himself and using the University for his longterm advantage, getting paid, but not earning the money when he absolutely can and should, then I don't want them... that is just feeding the self-centered mindset of the world revolves around me...
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I get the frustration, but this situation with McCoy isn’t as simple as “he just doesn’t want to play.” An ACL tear is a major injury that takes 9–12 months to heal, and no coach or doctor is clearing a player early just to satisfy fans. NIL isn’t a salary tied to playing time, it’s not the NFL, and Tennessee legally can’t pull his deals because he’s injured. Access to rehab and facilities is part of every athlete’s scholarship, and keeping him in the program during recovery is exactly what responsible programs do.

The idea that players used to “tough it out” overlooks the fact that they had no protection and worse medical standards, which isn’t something we should go back to. Treating injured players well actually helps recruiting, because families want to see a program support its athletes. McCoy didn’t quit, he got hurt playing for Tennessee. The goal should be getting him back healthy, not forcing him to risk re-injury to prove toughness to the fans.
 
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volinbama256 said:
Funny how the narrative is now changing...

I said over a month ago that if he's just preparing for the NFL, then fine, but no more NIL checks and he can go down the street to the gym and train but still keep his education scholly... The mindset these days is so beta and soft, those that come to his defense are of the younger generation... He's getting a free education and a lot of money, you can't have it both ways... He signed up to get paid to play if at all possible, to help his team win games, earning that money, not "well, I am worried about my long term career, so my team will have to do without me, but I'm gonna use the facilities, trainers, rehab facility, weights, food, still collect those checks, etc to get me ready for MY career...

Do folks not realize how many true VFL's have grinded through injuries over the years, playing hurt because they love the University, their teammates, and made a commitment? I personally know a few and they aren't about this type of mindset these days... And most were not getting openly paid a lot of money, if any at all back then...

I'm sorry, ya'll can come at me for a second time, but I won't change my mind on this. You think a NFL team lets players who are injured but can come back and play just decide on their own that they want to rehab and take advantage of all things of that program, continue to get paid their salary, but that THEY get to decide when they want to come back and play? GTFO... In before the betas say again, "well, it will do damage to recruiting because recruits will see this and it won't look good and we will look better if he gets drafted first round wearing TN across his chest".... If recruits look at a player being all about himself and using the University for his longterm advantage, getting paid, but not earning the money when he absolutely can and should, then I don't want them... that is just feeding the self-centered mindset of the world revolves around me...
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Isn’t the simplest explanation that he’s not all the way back to full speed?
 
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#68,897
Enki_Amenra said:
Yeah, me too. At least it seems like OU is a good team and we didnt get our bell rung by some try hards from south carolina or something
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This year has taken it out of me
We’re so damn close we can almost taste it
And the missed fg, turnovers when we’re about to score and terrible defense has left a bad taste in my mouth for this year
I went into this year thinking whatever we did I’d be happy bc of the off season deals but we came out much better then I anticipated plus the above issues and that’s why I’m so damn disappointed this year
 
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#68,898
I Don’t even know what to think of a bowl game this year
I guess just be happy with whatever but they definitely aren’t the same
Who knows what this off season is gonna bring with the NIL ****
Just doesn’t seem as fun as it used to but it is nice to not have Dooley, Pruitt or jones as our coach
 
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RandomUTfan said:
You're not going to get anyone to agree with that I predict, but I will absolutely concede there's a great possibility we would. I think Schiano's lack of success this time around at Rutgers has to do with the limitations at every job that's now limited: NIL. He was actually doing alright when he first took back over. I thought the PSU nonsense was just moral grandstanding (isn't' there a word for that?) because the fans thought they could hire a better coach than Currie. Turns out the guy they were just fine with was exponentially worse.
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We should've hired Mike Leach. Turns out we did a few years later.
 
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volinbama256 said:
Funny how the narrative is now changing...

I said over a month ago that if he's just preparing for the NFL, then fine, but no more NIL checks and he can go down the street to the gym and train but still keep his education scholly... The mindset these days is so beta and soft, those that come to his defense are of the younger generation... He's getting a free education and a lot of money, you can't have it both ways... He signed up to get paid to play if at all possible, to help his team win games, earning that money, not "well, I am worried about my long term career, so my team will have to do without me, but I'm gonna use the facilities, trainers, rehab facility, weights, food, still collect those checks, etc to get me ready for MY career...

Do folks not realize how many true VFL's have grinded through injuries over the years, playing hurt because they love the University, their teammates, and made a commitment? I personally know a few and they aren't about this type of mindset these days... And most were not getting openly paid a lot of money, if any at all back then...

I'm sorry, ya'll can come at me for a second time, but I won't change my mind on this. You think a NFL team lets players who are injured but can come back and play just decide on their own that they want to rehab and take advantage of all things of that program, continue to get paid their salary, but that THEY get to decide when they want to come back and play? GTFO... In before the betas say again, "well, it will do damage to recruiting because recruits will see this and it won't look good and we will look better if he gets drafted first round wearing TN across his chest".... If recruits look at a player being all about himself and using the University for his longterm advantage, getting paid, but not earning the money when he absolutely can and should, then I don't want them... that is just feeding the self-centered mindset of the world revolves around me...
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Ok, the kid is less than a year out ACL surgery. Only people with no clue or experience with these matters thinks it is unreasonable that he is not ready. Personally I thought he was done when he got injured, had no imagination that he would be back at all. Coming back in 6-8 months is miraculous, it takes a year.
 
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