Recruiting Forum Football Talk IX

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PlanetVolunteer said:
Could have a very solid LB core with Carter, Telander, Spillman and Perlotte next year.
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The incoming talent is even higher rated too... the challenge is just going to be keeping guys here. I'd say Burns hits the portal... I hope they can keep Harmon though. Bolton I think you encourage to grad transfer out (he's a RS-Jr) and he likely heads to a G5 school where he can start.

Still if you can return 4 of these guys PLUS the incoming guys...

Carter
Harmon
Spillman
Telander
Perlotte
Burns
 
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PlanetVolunteer said:
Could have a very solid LB core with Carter, Telander, Spillman and Perlotte next year.
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Im thinking if we can be successful with the Juco, and close another DL. With what we have on campus, and a successful porthaul we should be much improved. Defense is slow.
 
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KB5252 said:
So he's saying he should not have been available but he was put on the field anyway?
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Reporter asked a question to determine if Boo is lying in his statement about his season being over because he's been hurt. Coach said based on what the trainers told him each week, Boo hasn't been injured and that UT's participation report was correct.
 
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Visidog said:
I get what you’re saying: if a team had enough confidence in its line to pressure, it wouldn’t blitz. If it had enough confidence in its secondary it would blitz without fear. Teams don’t have that level of confidence, so they compromise.

UGA is unapologetically bend but don’t break in approach. Smart doesn’t want to gamble on pressure and risk an explosive play. He does not believe that teams will be able to consistently have 10-play drives against his defense, so he wants to avoid big plays and just wait until a defender makes a highlight play or the offense makes a mistake.

Side note: that’s what yall gave us such fits this year. Multiple deep pass plays had us in the spin cycle.

Most college teams rely on explosive plays to score points. If you deny them the big plays, they will eventually give you the ball back as long as you tackle and rally to the ball.

I’m not saying it’s the only way to play defense or the best way (and UGA certainly mixes things up), but I’ve come around to appreciate the beauty of bend don’t break.
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I agree with all this, but arguably the most important part of the bend but don't break approach is getting off the field when the offense is trying to give you the ball back (i.e. 3rd down, especially long). That's the difference in our bend vs UGA bend.

You're right, most college teams won't march it down the field 10+ plays, they'll make mistakes like penalties or a missed assignment for a TFL that get them well behind the sticks, almost always leading to a failed drive. We are just so bad at 3rd down.
 
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SoilVol said:
I got my oldest a music box that plays it. Darn near cried seeing her get so excited when we opened it. She used to make me play it every night, then made me dance with her every night before bed.
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Our first little one always wants me to read with her and sing to her. I’m cherishing these memories. The other is too young, but you better bet the house I’m doing the same with her.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
🦬💩...it ain't "fear"...that is a term used by Idiot Marginers to denigrate Heupel. Being more conservative isn't "fear"...it is strategy.

You do a lot of stupid 💩 when you have nothing to lose...the same f'n dumbasses wanting us to do dumb crap, are the same that scream about how stupid it is when it doesn't work.
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Idiot Margin can be used two ways. It can describe people that constantly criticize a coach and it can also describe someone who acts like you can’t say anything negative about a coach. Everyone is individuals and I say plenty of positive things about Heup.

I don’t think that you should be careless but I do think you play to win at all times instead of playing not to lose. Heup epitomized that type of coach when he first arrived.

3 examples off the top of my head:
1.Playing for 3 against GA. We spent a lot of money on offensive talent and we decided to rely on an unreliable walk on kicker in a game that we had 496 yds of offense

2. playing for OT against Mississippi State. It worked out but I would never play for OT in a road environment

3. The drives before the end of the half where we continually run all the time out.

I would like for us to become the bad boys of football like we are in baseball.
 
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Visidog said:
I get what you’re saying: if a team had enough confidence in its line to pressure, it wouldn’t blitz. If it had enough confidence in its secondary it would blitz without fear. Teams don’t have that level of confidence, so they compromise.

UGA is unapologetically bend but don’t break in approach. Smart doesn’t want to gamble on pressure and risk an explosive play. He does not believe that teams will be able to consistently have 10-play drives against his defense, so he wants to avoid big plays and just wait until a defender makes a highlight play or the offense makes a mistake.

Side note: that’s what yall gave us such fits this year. Multiple deep pass plays had us in the spin cycle.

Most college teams rely on explosive plays to score points. If you deny them the big plays, they will eventually give you the ball back as long as you tackle and rally to the ball.

I’m not saying it’s the only way to play defense or the best way (and UGA certainly mixes things up), but I’ve come around to appreciate the beauty of bend don’t break.
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From a fan perspective, why is UGA no longer that dominant defense?

GT, Bama, Miss St all scored on em last year.

Vols and Ole Miss this year.

Those things used to not happen to Kirby’s defenses.

Talent more spread out across CFB? Kirby lost a step on defense?
 
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dmwvol12 said:
Yeah and I am going to vent a pet peeve of mine. Saying a coach likes to play bend but don’t break is a misnomer. Coaches are typically forced to play that way because they don’t have the talent to be more aggressive. Banks would be dramatically more aggressive if he had his two injured corners as he proved that last year. Not claiming he’s a great d-coordinator but he would be much better if he had some more talent. He also deserves blame for that lack of talent.
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Where I have a problem is that he coaches the Safeties. If you were to grade the position groups in order every year he has been here the Safeties are at the bottom of this list. Defense is like baseball, the really good defenses excel in the middle of the field. This years defense imo is better outside in and the results show that
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Yeah, I just simply don't agree with this. I don't care what he did in HS playing in East TN 6A isn't the same as playing in 6A in Texas, Georgia, Florida, California, etc. we as a state are pretty lacking in HS talent.

Also Boo played for 3 different HS...so maybe the writing was always on the wall that he'd eventually get pissy and wanna bail soon as someone else showed him some attention.
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I agree he was definitely shopping fo the highest bidder even in high school, but there is no doubt he has elite talent. He make good athletes look stupid.
 
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MarcoVol said:
From a fan perspective, why is UGA no longer that dominant defense?

GT, Bama, Miss St all scored on em last year.

Vols and Ole Miss this year.

Those things used to not happen to Kirby’s defenses.

Talent more spread out across CFB? Kirby lost a step on defense?
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You’re 100% right. On Saturday night, Smart called that onside kick because he didn’t think UGA would be able to stop Texas repeatedly, and he wanted to let the offense protect the defense.

Talent is a big part of it. Last year saw some really good guys graduate, and we lost several good ones in the portal, too. Damon Wilson would be a huge part of this defense, but he’s at Missouri now. There are still a lot of talented dudes on the roster, but maybe a few less and a little younger. To that, I’ll add that not everybody lives up to potential, especially not right away. Every year, UGA recruits a ton of guys, but lots leave early for the NFL and plenty transfer.

Those 21/22/23 defenses were nuts and I don’t think we’ll see the likes of them again soon. I remember reading that the whole 2-deep from the 21 defense made an NFL roster. It was a combination of stacking 5-stars in the pre NIL era and some 3-stars that really developed.

Schematically, things are pretty similar. I wish we still had Muschamp and Lanning around, but the well of defensive coaching talent is pretty deep, and the philosophical approach comes from Kirby.
 
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Visidog said:
You’re 100% right. On Saturday night, Smart called that onside kick because he didn’t think UGA would be able to stop Texas repeatedly, and he wanted to let the offense protect the defense.

Talent is a big part of it. Last year saw some really good guys graduate, and we lost several good ones in the portal, too. Damon Wilson would be a huge part of this defense, but he’s at Missouri now. There are still a lot of talented dudes on the roster, but maybe a few less and a little younger. To that, I’ll add that not everybody lives up to potential, especially not right away. Every year, UGA recruits a ton of guys, but lots leave early for the NFL and plenty transfer.

Those 21/22/23 defenses were nuts and I don’t think we’ll see the likes of them again soon. I remember reading that the whole 2-deep from the 21 defense made an NFL roster. It was a combination of stacking 5-stars in the pre NIL era and some 3-stars that really developed.

Schematically, things are pretty similar. I wish we still had Muschamp and Lanning around, but the well of defensive coaching talent is pretty deep, and the philosophical approach comes from Kirby.
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Those Georgia defenses post covid were awesome as were Alabubba's a few years earlier. I think things are different now, with NIL and the Portal we are going to see much more parity, ala NFL.
 
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I kinda checked out after the Oklahoma game. Had a patient tell me today that LSU is looking to hire Huepel.

Is that just fan message board rumors, or is there legitimacy to that? Patient kept saying he saw it “on the news online.” But he’s also a 75 year old man, and I have no clue if he has a good understanding that lot of the stuff you see on the internet is crap.
 
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Visidog said:
You’re 100% right. On Saturday night, Smart called that onside kick because he didn’t think UGA would be able to stop Texas repeatedly, and he wanted to let the offense protect the defense.

Talent is a big part of it. Last year saw some really good guys graduate, and we lost several good ones in the portal, too. Damon Wilson would be a huge part of this defense, but he’s at Missouri now. There are still a lot of talented dudes on the roster, but maybe a few less and a little younger. To that, I’ll add that not everybody lives up to potential, especially not right away. Every year, UGA recruits a ton of guys, but lots leave early for the NFL and plenty transfer.

Those 21/22/23 defenses were nuts and I don’t think we’ll see the likes of them again soon. I remember reading that the whole 2-deep from the 21 defense made an NFL roster. It was a combination of stacking 5-stars in the pre NIL era and some 3-stars that really developed.

Schematically, things are pretty similar. I wish we still had Muschamp and Lanning around, but the well of defensive coaching talent is pretty deep, and the philosophical approach comes from Kirby.
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And, not to self reply, but the other teams have guys on scholarship, too. Brazzell and Aguilar (among others) made some plays that we just wins for them. Chambliss at QB is pretty special, too, and Jaxson Dart before him. Ryan Williams made some catches last year that just can’t be defended, and Ty Simpson this year did exactly what UGA bets that opponents can’t do—drive the ball for 12+ play drives all night. Haynes King is a man, too. I won’t take anything from his play.

So I don’t think the whole story is that UGA has gotten worse. Sometimes the other guys get better and sometimes a player just has to make the play.
 
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jave36 said:
I agree with all this, but arguably the most important part of the bend but don't break approach is getting off the field when the offense is trying to give you the ball back (i.e. 3rd down, especially long). That's the difference in our bend vs UGA bend.

You're right, most college teams won't march it down the field 10+ plays, they'll make mistakes like penalties or a missed assignment for a TFL that get them well behind the sticks, almost always leading to a failed drive. We are just so bad at 3rd down.
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Yeah we all remember times when our teams seemed to be playing bend then break defense, and that’s the worst.
 
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