Danny White exploring Neyland Expansion-Volquest

[maryvillenative]

the biggest improvement to me would be expanding and enhancing the upper south area which is a major bottleneck and safety hazard at times

not sure how they plan to expend the north (seating wise) unless they remove the roof where the fireworks go off and build more box seating all around

As a season ticket holder in the upper North Endzone, my fear is he's going to rip out our chairback seats and put in benches.

 

[maryvillenative]

I'd settle for painting the rusty steel beams on the south end exterior. That's embarrassing.

The old girl needs a good paint job all over.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

I'm 47 years old. when I was little people used checks, and CC's had to be manually processed on carbon paper.

I was in a town in SW virginia that had only mag strip card readers last week. It was heaven.

My point is you can lead a horse to water but you cant make us drink. Ill always sub consciously hand my card to attendant. Or slide it in the reader.

Lots of cashiers don't want to touch your card, these days, because they're trained for security reasons to never take a customers card unless absolutely necessary.

This is why tapping your phone or watch makes sense for your safety. No fumbling to get your wallet, hold your food, get your money or swipe your card, etc.

Just tap your watch/phone, put in your code/fingerprint, and move on out of the way. With a card out you've got: your food, your wallet, your card..... and two hands.

Yes, I can still drive a manual, even on the column if I had to, and get up to change the channel on my TV, and dial a rotary landline phone...... but I don't.

They're listening in on my cell calls, I'm sure, and my remote lets the neighbors and govt know what I watch, even over the antenna, I'm sure, and automatic transmissions are just the car maker's way to get more money because they're harder to work on.

Jeez. When did Americans become so scared of advancements? That's what made us great.

 

[maryvillenative]

I use cash all the time. Cheaper gas. No transaction fees at restaurants. Etc. Etc

When you manage a major venue, cash is both a liability and expense. The cash operations, think full on bank with tellers and vault along with the mobile crew to providing change and taking deposits from stands are both expensive and risky.

 

[NighthawkVol]

I'm tired of this take. Every time I hear someone say it they sound mad they can't afford tickets to a game so they want a hand out. He doesn't not care about a certain "type" of fan because he makes moves that are financially beneficial. I'm not trying to be rude but you have to stop being so self centered. The world doesn't revolve around you. Tickets are up all around the world. You can blame places like TicketMaster. Not Danny.

And they're the same ones who complain when we can't buy recruits as easily as Ohio State or Texas. They want the university to procure millions and millions to pay for athletes to make the teams better, but when things cost more, "damn, that greedy Danny White!"

It's asinine. Danny White didn't create the environment we exist in. He is trying to navigate it to make Tennessee as successful as possible. That means procuring money for the UTAD.

 

[WallyBalls]

Neyland actually is around 95k. They need to remove 1 to 2 seats per bleacher to fit normal size human beings

I'm glad someone already said this. Its funny how some people cling to the 100k+ numbers that have all the validity of the Whose Line points system.

A whole hell of a lot of the stadium still has a fairly miserable experience. He'd be wise to tackle that before he chases some expansion. (And before the goofy entertainment district, but who knows. I assume he was just pandering to twitter anyway.)

 

[West Vol]

If they're serious about relieving congestion in the concourses, they'll go back to cash only concessions. The concession lines are 10x longer (causing total gridlock in the concourses) than they used to be because the freaking transactions take 10x longer than they used to take with cash. Same with the damn paperless tickets. It isn't a problem of not enough physical space, it is the bottlenecks created by highly inefficient transactions.

I have gone to games when there were 109,000 people there and the concourses were NEVER as gridlocked as they have been the last few seasons of cashless/paperless.

Some of the most efficient entrances I’ve ever had have been with the new ticket system. It’s only been bad this season.

 

[adam.vol]

I'm glad someone already said this. Its funny how some people cling to the 100k+ numbers that have all the validity of the Whose Line points system.

A whole hell of a lot of the stadium still has a fairly miserable experience. He'd be wise to tackle that before he chases some expansion. (And before the goofy entertainment district, but who knows. I assume he was just pandering to twitter anyway.)

The miserable experience in most of the stadium is too little room for normal size adults. If there is room for expansion, then that needs to be used to relieve the overcrowding for current seating.

I want to tar and feather the dipshit who approved reclining seat backs, also. Seriously, I think you’re a POS, whoever you are.

 

[CAVPUT]

And they're the same ones who complain when we can't buy recruits as easily as Ohio State or Texas. They want the university to procure millions and millions to pay for athletes to make the teams better, but when things cost more, "damn, that greedy Danny White!"

It's asinine. Danny White didn't create the environment we exist in. He is trying to navigate it to make Tennessee as successful as possible. That means procuring money for the UTAD.

If we go 7-5 as I expect, Danny might want to consider nuking any idea of expanding Neyland and put that money toward buyouts and portal players.

 

[dobre_shunka]

I'm tired of this take. Every time I hear someone say it they sound mad they can't afford tickets to a game so they want a hand out. He doesn't not care about a certain "type" of fan because he makes moves that are financially beneficial. I'm not trying to be rude but you have to stop being so self centered. The world doesn't revolve around you. Tickets are up all around the world. You can blame places like TicketMaster. Not Danny.

Right there with you, the incessant whining is remarkable.

When adjusted for inflation, there are season tickets today significantly cheaper than when I first started buying season tickets in the early 1990s. And UTAD doesn't control the price of hotels, gas, food, etc. but some seem to think he does.

 

[Hairy Vols]

Excuse me, I go to games. But I know what my friends tell me, nobody wants a hand out!!!! Danny White has done some good things and some not so good. Have a good day

I came off as a little rude there so I apologize for that. That being said it is a supply and demand issue. If Tennessee were to lower the prices in half people would still buy and resell them for the price they are now. There is no greater demand in Knoxville, TN than for football games. It def does suck but to blame him or really anyone for that matter is nonsense. That being said blaming it on "cheese and wine" people or people with more money is misdirected hate as well.

 

[Hairy Vols]

And they're the same ones who complain when we can't buy recruits as easily as Ohio State or Texas. They want the university to procure millions and millions to pay for athletes to make the teams better, but when things cost more, "damn, that greedy Danny White!"

It's asinine. Danny White didn't create the environment we exist in. He is trying to navigate it to make Tennessee as successful as possible. That means procuring money for the UTAD.

Neyland also needs tons of upgrades. I've been to a few games in various places while traveling in the Army and to say our stadium is a bit dated is an understatement.

 

[Hairy Vols]

You’re forgetting the part where there are 100,000 people in a single venue, made up of concrete, steel, and aluminum. Also wrapped with thousands of feet of copper wiring and everyone is holding their own personal transmitter.

If the WiFi can’t handle the bandwidth of 100,000 people, then it would be faster for everyone to pay in pennies.

That argument about WiFi makes no sense. Payment terminals in stadiums don’t rely on the same public WiFi that fans use for their phones. They run on private wired networks or LTE systems that are separated from the crowd’s data traffic. Even if the public WiFi is slow or overloaded the card readers still work because they have their own dedicated connection. Most modern terminals can also process transactions offline and sync later so even if the signal dropped for a few seconds it would not stop payments.


Concrete and steel can block weak personal signals but the stadium’s internal network is built with hard lines and repeaters that bypass that problem. You could have one hundred thousand people on their phones and it would not affect the payment systems at all. Cash would still be slower since it requires a person to count bills and make change while the card reader finishes in a couple seconds. The claim that WiFi limits make cash faster just shows a misunderstanding of how stadium networks actually work.

 

[StuckInBamaVol]

Are you illiterate?!?!

It’s ok to be angry

 

[StuckInBamaVol]

I’ve already done it before: NFL, NBA, and gave up Vol hoops and premium football season tix. We were already talking about dropping again next year or in two years anyway. It’s all a big f’in con job!

A con job in which you will pay.

 

[BigOrangeGirl]

The "cashless society is evil" people will crucify you, despite them almost certainly getting their "check" via direct deposit and almost certainly paying most of their bills either online or via direct debit.

Who here is sending a check every month to..... since it's in the news..... Youtube TV, ESPN, Hulu, Fubo, Sling or whomever?

Get over it or trade your car in for horse and buggy, your stove in for a wood stove, your lights for oil lamps, etc.

My parents still pay all their bills with checks lol

 

[RandomUTfan]

I saw this thread title and I pictured Danny White in hiking boots toting a backpack, exploring Neyland Stadium looking for ways to eke even more dollars out of it.

 

[Rocky Top T]

I came off as a little rude there so I apologize for that. That being said it is a supply and demand issue. If Tennessee were to lower the prices in half people would still buy and resell them for the price they are now. There is no greater demand in Knoxville, TN than for football games. It def does suck but to blame him or really anyone for that matter is nonsense. That being said blaming it on "cheese and wine" people or people with more money is misdirected hate as well.

Thanks for the apology. I don't hate the wine and cheese crowd, they give money, but they don't yell much at all. I'm 63 and I can't talk for 3 days after games. I do wish DW would put the students back where they were at the baseball game. The atmosphere is not the same

 

[adam.vol]

That argument about WiFi makes no sense. Payment terminals in stadiums don’t rely on the same public WiFi that fans use for their phones. They run on private wired networks or LTE systems that are separated from the crowd’s data traffic. Even if the public WiFi is slow or overloaded the card readers still work because they have their own dedicated connection. Most modern terminals can also process transactions offline and sync later so even if the signal dropped for a few seconds it would not stop payments.


Concrete and steel can block weak personal signals but the stadium’s internal network is built with hard lines and repeaters that bypass that problem. You could have one hundred thousand people on their phones and it would not affect the payment systems at all. Cash would still be slower since it requires a person to count bills and make change while the card reader finishes in a couple seconds. The claim that WiFi limits make cash faster just shows a misunderstanding of how stadium networks actually work.

Surely you don’t believe the athletics department has their own private ISP for retail.. They’re all using the same hardware eventually.

What makes no sense is that you have not offered any explanation for why the transfers are so slow. People here are telling you that they are slow and you’re not acknowledging it.

 

[Hairy Vols]

Surely you don’t believe the athletics department has their own private ISP for retail.. They’re all using the same hardware eventually.

What makes no sense is that you have not offered any explanation for why the transfers are so slow. People here are telling you that they are slow and you’re not acknowledging it.

Typically the public WiFi is separate from the retail. At least that is how is was when I worked at Smoky Mountain Brewery. Honestly I was just assuming, I could have been wrong. Typically at any retail type place there are two separate connections. It wasn't slow when I used it there so I can't really attest or assume the experience of others ya know?

 

[beachvol23]

Most POS systems are LAN/Ether not WIFI

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Surely you don’t believe the athletics department has their own private ISP for retail.. They’re all using the same hardware eventually.

What makes no sense is that you have not offered any explanation for why the transfers are so slow. People here are telling you that they are slow and you’re not acknowledging it.

Aramark is perhaps the largest POS food vendor for venues in America. There's an extremely good chance they have their own secure hardware and secure connection at Neyland.

It would be ridiculously foolish for them to be handling all that financial data on the same network connection that 100k knuckleheads are also using. Think about it.

 

[EasternVol]

The pop ups on VolQuest are horrible.

As far as the expansion goes I love it. I want to see another deck added around Neyland.

Might as well have the biggest stadium in the country.

How steep would a third deck have to be to see the field? Might as well just put a transparent floor across the top of the second deck.

 

[EasternVol]

All Danny White cares about is the wine and cheese crowd. Football, Basketball, and baseball atmosphere is not what it was because of overpricing the common fan. He ruined the baseball crowd when he moved the student section. He is more concerned about light shows

Money, he's concerned with money. If the wine and cheese crowd didn't have any then he'd be wooing those who do.

 

[adam.vol]

Typically the public WiFi is separate from the retail. At least that is how is was when I worked at Smoky Mountain Brewery. Honestly I was just assuming, I could have been wrong. Typically at any retail type place there are two separate connections. It wasn't slow when I used it there so I can't really attest or assume the experience of others ya know?

Yeah. There’s usually a guest login, a private wireless login, and then a hard wired version of that network to process transactions.

I built a bank so I remember there being different sign in options, but ultimately they were all through the same network provider, traveling through the same fiber optics cables. I believe the encryption happened within their local server before going out to the street.