Israel vs Palestinians II

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NashVol11 said:
Pretty sure you yourself have said there is "no such thing as Palestine," several times, proving the truth of the thing you're saying is BS
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Even though 75% of the world recognizes a Palestinian state, I don't, and I'm going to take it a million steps futher and pedantically argue that it's not a place, even conceptually.
 
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KB5252 said:
You keep throwing the word Zionist around, what do you think it means?
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I largely agree with Rabbi Shapiro about what Zionism is.



My own definition... I would define it as an originally Christian ideology that's still a predominately Christian ideology to manipulate Jews and people who had Jewish ancestors into setting up an ethnostate as a means to hasten the second coming of Jesus of Nazareth. That's the original definition and still the core definition. It gained traction with non-religious people like Theodor Herzl, David Ben-Gurion, Golda Meir, et cetera, along with an X percentage of Jews as well. Zionists are not a monolith, as different people have different motives and some Zionists want to throw other Zionists under the bus as a means to an end, with the footage below being Exhibit A. That is a Christian Zionist. He desires more conflict in the Middle East no matter how many Jews and Arabs die as a result. He doesn't care about the fallout, even though these preachers, out of the other side of their mouths, say that most IDF & Hamas soldiers that have died in the conflict are burning in Hell for eternity since they died without accepting Jesus Christ as their personal lord and savior. They don't care about that. They care only about ushering in the return of Jesus regardless of who gets hurt along the way. This is the predominate Christian ideology in the USA, especially in the Protestant denominations. Obviously, an atheist like Golda Meir or Jewish settlers in the West Bank would never have invoked the name of Jesus in their brands of Zionism the way these priests do, at least an any sincere way.

 
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SquirrelOrange3 said:
I largely agree with Rabbi Shapiro about what Zionism is.



My own definition... I would define it as an originally Christian ideology that's still a predominately Christian ideology to manipulate Jews and people who had Jewish ancestors into setting up an ethnostate as a means to hasten the second coming of Jesus of Nazareth. That's the original definition and still the core definition. It gained traction with non-religious people like Theodor Herzl, David Ben-Gurion, Golda Meir, et cetera, along with an X percentage of Jews as well. Zionists are not a monolith, as different people have different motives and some Zionists want to throw other Zionists under the bus as a means to an end, with the footage below being Exhibit A. That is a Christian Zionist. He desires more conflict in the Middle East no matter how many Jews and Arabs die as a result. He doesn't care about the fallout, even though these preachers, out of the other side of their mouths, say that most IDF & Hamas soldiers that have died in the conflict are burning in Hell for eternity since they died without accepting Jesus Christ as their personal lord and savior. They don't care about that. They care only about ushering in the return of Jesus regardless of who gets hurt along the way. This is the predominate Christian ideology in the USA, especially in the Protestant denominations. Obviously, an atheist like Golda Meir or Jewish settlers in the West Bank would never have invoked the name of Jesus in their brands of Zionism the way these priests do, at least an any sincere way.

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I support a nation for Israelis where it exists. I support Palestinians who want to peacefully coexist. I view phrases like from the river to the sea in the same context as those who want to establish the new Kingdom.

You can support the nation of Israel and still be called a Zionist because of the literal definition. By definition if you support the Nation of Israel where it stands you are Zionist, this is why I asked. And the way you use the term would seem to some not just to that which you attribute above.
 
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Smokey123 said:
When did I say the scofield bible wasn’t relevant?

When you die can you make sure your family donates your brain to science

I already said your question has been discussed plenty in this thread (especially by me)

I asked you; How does Hamas feel about Israel?
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Why even bring up the Scofield Bible if you think it's not what the Christians believe?

You're exhibiting the same proof of the Dunning-Kruger effect as another poster in the forum.

I knew you wouldn't answer the question and would instead emote with insults.

Netanyahu himself stated quite a few years ago, "We see Hamas continuing to invest all of its resources not just in preparing for war with Israel, but also in educating the children of Gaza to want to destroy Israel.” Yet, Netanyahu continued to make certain Hamas received said resources, and he continued to be re-elected by the people of Israel. Now, Netanyahu's party and the Israeli people are blaming and killing infants and children because of the actions of a terrorist organization that Netanyahu and the Israelis themselves supported, as if Palestinian babies and Palestinian Christians urged the Israelis to sponsor a terrorist organization.

Instead of taking responsibility for their own actions of supporting Hamas, they emote, kill babies, emote some more, and kill more babies.



And naturally, tens of millions of Christians in the USA support it. When have they not cheered on the murder of infants?

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KB5252 said:
I support a nation for Israelis where it exists. I support Palestinians who want to peacefully coexist. I view phrases like from the river to the sea in the same context as those who want to establish the new Kingdom.

You can support the nation of Israel and still be called a Zionist because of the literal definition. By definition if you support the Nation of Israel where it stands you are Zionist, this is why I asked. And the way you use the term would seem to some not just to that which you attribute above.
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You're being dishonest that you listened to Rabbi Shapiro, because your reply came after six minutes and the video is 7:42 long.
 
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SquirrelOrange3 said:
Why even bring up the Scofield Bible if you think it's not what the Christians believe?

You're exhibiting the same proof of the Dunning-Kruger effect as another poster in the forum.

I knew you wouldn't answer the question and would instead emote with insults.

Netanyahu himself stated quite a few years ago, "We see Hamas continuing to invest all of its resources not just in preparing for war with Israel, but also in educating the children of Gaza to want to destroy Israel.” Yet, Netanyahu continued to make certain Hamas received said resources, and he continued to be re-elected by the people of Israel. Now, Netanyahu's party and the Israeli people are blaming and killing infants and children because of the actions of a terrorist organization that Netanyahu and the Israelis themselves supported, as if Palestinian babies and Palestinian Christians urged the Israelis to sponsor a terrorist organization.

Instead of taking responsibility for their own actions of supporting Hamas, they emote, kill babies, emote some more, and kill more babies.



And naturally, tens of millions of Christians in the USA support it. When have they not cheered on the murder of infants?

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When did I say Christian’s don’t follow it?
 
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allstar34bd said:
So you can hate Jews; but we can't talk about a Muslim without being a racist or Islamophobe?
*In my Nash voice*
Only a small percentage, miniscule.. of Israelis are trying to erase Palestinians. Such a small number of Israelis scare you? You're hate is sickening and it really shows how bigoted you are. You Anti-Semite.
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I'm pretty sure everyone here universally dislikes Islam and it's probably the one thing we agree about. I haven't seen anyone call anyone else an Islamophobe.
 
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KB5252 said:
I listened through most of it to get the gist of what he was saying. What did I miss, where am I of base?
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He supports the country to stand where it does, but he wants it to be a normal country like Canada, Mexico, and the USA. He doesn't want what Pastor Greg Locke wants. He doesn't want what Rev. John Hagee wants.
 
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