Recruiting Forum Football Talk IX

#63,951
#63,951
SoilVol said:
@InVOLuntary I just want to say, I do like you and we agree on most things. I just disagree with your conclusion that he's hit his ceiling so young in his career. Then with the logic/argument you're making against fans who disagree with that take is by misrepresenting what they're saying.

You can have the opinion he's hit his ceiling while also not painting the rest of us as dumb or "not wanting winning enough" for disagreeing.

We're rooting for the same team on Saturdays, that's what matters though.
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I've never said you or anyone was dumb. I simply brought stats that people wanted to "qualify" by saying we shouldn't count this or you're "cherry picking" stats to fit your narrative. The fact remain that we've beaten no one with a pulse this season and we've struggled to beat the SEC that are on life support. Our only chance to beat a ranked team on our schedule is Vanderbilt. We also travel to FL where we haven't won in over 20 years. We'll see how those go.

On to next year, we have much more difficult schedule. We break in a new QB, likely a true or redshirt freshman. We lose a bunch on the DL. I think it's likely we have a similar record next year, maybe worse. That's year 6.

As to Banks, I've said for years that he's unqualified to coach at this level. The only way he looks good is when he's got a dominant DL that's extremely deep. For him to succeed he has to get consistent pressure rushing 4. Otherwise his scheme (or lack of) is exposed. I made the comment that if he stays it will cost Heupel his job. I still believe that.

In summary, you have to ask the question, do you think the Vols are on an upward trajectory, staying about the same, or downward? It's hard for me to make an argument that the trajectory is upward. That means we are either maintaining or downward. It's my opinion that we are about the same. I think we are a perennial 8,9 win team with an occasional 10 win season. If folks think that's ok, that's fine. I dont expect a national championship every year. I do think we should expect to be in the top 1/3 of the conference most every year. With an expanded playoff that means you are in the playoffs most every year. If that makes me unrealistic then guilty as charged.
 
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#63,956
UpstateVol613 said:
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NY is screwed.

And for the first time in many years, the south is growing faster than the north. More economic growth and building. NYSE is moving from Chicago to Texas and many other financial companies expanding to Texas and leaving areas up north.

South is going to be booming for a while.

I wonder why…
 
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#63,959
Ten_Titans said:
I actually agree with the exec. I think that guy is describing a bygone era. You can get highlights on YouTube and every social media platform of any sport you want, instantly.

Hardcore fans will watch regardless. Casual fans watch for storylines. Any brain dead moron can just show the games and reruns of highlights. Unfortunately for ESPN, crafting narratives is a skill. And they don't have that skill because they are staffed by people who don't know anything about sports. They still can't help themselves from throwing some chick on the screen of every show who has never played a sport and doesn't know what she's talking about. ESPN's idea of a "story" is some interpersonal ******** that has nothing to do with the game. Taylor Swift for example. The games feel secondary because the company is run by people who don't care about the games.

They might be better off just showing highlights. But ideally, they would just be able to craft sports storylines with their programming that people actually cared about.
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Their "storylines" are their narrative. They control the outcomes. That's entirely what that exec was saying
 
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#63,962
SergeantVol said:
64.8% underclassmen. Wow. It all makes sense now. Gonna be some bumps and rough times but when this roster matures more, it'll be fantastic.
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That’s why we need to play all the young guys now as much as possible. Could cost us a game this season but help with next year as long as we retain the contributors.
 
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#63,963
99Vol said:
Last year the stats indicated that the defense let up less points year over year under Banks. Def not the case this year. I give them a partial Mulligan with CB1 and CB2 lost for the year. We beat ugga if we don’t have a true freshman CB for them to pick on early in the season. Now we know we essentially lost Boo for the year. Should we have let him go in the summer? Maybe but we were already thin with exoerience at DB. So losing 3 starting DB’s is almost hard to come back from. Most teams would never stand a chance. The Lions are an outlier.. I only give partial excuse because we lost so much on the back end to the portal and didn’t back fill enough. On the flip side no one could have controlled the Nico situation or prepared for it. What they have accomplished with Joey is miraculous…
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We beat UGA if our kicker does his job. Our coordinator shouldn’t have left a freshmen on an island in his first big game against good receivers. He wasn’t ready for that and it was obvious against Syracuse too.
 
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I understand having one G5 team but at least have them ranked if you're going to put them in the playoffs
 
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#63,971
Rishvol said:
I understand having one G5 team but at least have them ranked if you're going to put them in the playoffs
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I don’t. It’s a waste of a spot. We all know a G5 team cannot consistently compete with a P4/5 team in the playoffs. I would make the stipulation that the G5 team has to be undefeated to get a spot.
 
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#63,973
Jackcrevol said:
Think the argument of Heupel ceiling is based on recency bias. This team isnt very talented, esp on back end on defense. How that happened, no idea.

Another factor that gets lost in noise, is .739 winning pctge. Plug all that in.

One factor we arent including, is modifications to his offense. Willingness to modify, or adapt. Teams had schemed his offense. People are down on him, bc of the defense. Yes that's his hat to wear, also.

But, if you've been out in the dark, cold weather for 15 years (cold ass syndrome) it gives you a massive appreciation, and understanding for right here right now.

Before I rant about my point. Let's not forget that 5 years ago, we werent even competitive with:

1. UGA
2. Florduh
3. Bammer
4. Oklahoma

Now we have a shot at beating them, on the reg.

This is a crucial finale for Heup. I think it's gonna be a tough slog. People are talking 9-3, lol. I think that would be very impressive with this team. 7-5 is going to be hard to justify.

This program, the amount of resources, a preferable schedule, top offense. Never going to be easier. So, I get where people are coming from.

One other thing to consider is that Head Coaching situations right now, arent sustainable. Demand far out weighs supply. Programs are throwing around obscene amounts of money, like single use plastics, for what? 10 wins, 11 wins and a shot at the playoffs?

Ive said this 1000 times, and Ill say it again. Of we dont appreciate where we were, and where we are NOW. Another program will gladly take Josh Heuepel, and his top offense off our hands. Stadium is full, bellies are full, coffers arw full. I dunno what people need to do other than enjoy this for what it is.

it is always more difficult to take the step to elite, than it is to slide back into oblivion.

I dont want to go back there.
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This team isn’t talented?

Come on now. This team is talented. They make stupid decisions and have bad turnovers way too much. And don’t get off the field on third down.

I don’t think talent is the issue. Depth is an issue. Not talent
 
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#63,974
I still think a three loss team has a shot to make the playoff this year. Many more upsets and losses are coming for teams above us. Not saying that puts us in, but more teams keep losing and I think someone sneaks in.

Really just need GT, Louisville, VA, or ND to get one more loss. Other losses are coming for 1-2 loss teams ahead of us.
 
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