How long will CJH’s tenure at Tennessee be?

How long will CJH be at Tennessee?

  • Less than five years

    Votes: 58 12.1%

  • More than five but less than ten years

    Votes: 215 45.0%

  • More than ten years

    Votes: 205 42.9%
  • Total voters
    478
  • Poll closed .
#51
#51
Vols410 said:
I think it’s overstated to say Heupel’s tenure has plateaued. That perception exists mostly because we haven’t topped the 2022 win total. It feels like we should have because we were so good so fast, but it’s not as simple as him raising the floor and then getting stuck.

When he got here, the roster had a ton of flaws. Hooker and the novelty of the offense in the SEC masked a lot of that, and we massively overachieved relative to the roster’s overall talent.

Since then, the roster’s been steadily improving top to bottom, but we’ve dealt with the usual college football volatility (quarterback changes, a freshman QB last year, injuries on defense, and a ton of young players this season.) Given all that, I think Heup’s done a really good job keeping the wins coming, and the transfer portal has been key to patching holes and maintaining a high floor.

Now, with all the freshmen and recruiting at its best four-year average in over 20 years, I think we’re in a great spot to see that floor rise permanently starting next year and firmly entrenching ourselves in the upper part of the SEC.
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CJH has a record of 10-13 (0.435) vs Top 25 teams in 4+ years, since 2023 CJH has a record of 4-8 (0.333) vs Top 25 teams.

That stat has to improve to at least 0.500 or CJH's tenure will be shorter then he would desire.
 
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#52
#52
utVolFanInVA said:
CJH has a record of 10-13 (0.435) vs Top 25 teams in 4+ years, since 2023 CJH has a record of 4-8 (0.333) vs Top 25 teams.

That stat has to improve to at least 0.500 or CJH's tenure will be shorter then he would desire.
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12 of those losses were to top 15 teams and 9 were to top 10 teams.

Let's not act like he's losing to just anyone...

He has more wins against ranked teams than all but 3-4 of the other SEC coaches
 
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#53
#53
Rickyvol77 said:
12 of those losses were to top 15 teams and 9 were to top 10 teams.

Let's not act like he's losing to just anyone...

He has more wins against ranked teams than all but 3-4 of the other SEC coaches
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More concerned about the trend. CJH won more in his first 2 years then in his last 2+ years which is not the progress one would expect.

Actually 7 were top 10 teams not 9.
 
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#55
#55
BernardKingGOAT said:
No he didn't.
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Facts against Top 25 teams:

2021 - 2022: 6 W, 5 L
2023 - 2025: 4 W, 8 L

2021 (1-4):
W- KY #18
L - FL #11
L - Ole Miss #13
L - AL #4
L - GA #1

2022 (5-1):
W - Pitt #17
W - FL #20
W - AL #3
W - KY #19
W - Clem #7
L - GA #3

2023 (1-3):
W - IA #17
L - AL #11
L - MO #14
L - GA #1

2024 (3-2):
W - NC St #24
W - OK #15
W - AL #7
L - GA #13
L - OSU #8

2025 (0-3): Through 9 games
L - GA #6
L - AL #6
L - OK #18
 
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#56
utVolFanInVA said:
Facts:

2021 - 2022: 6 W, 5 L
2023 - 2025: 4 W, 8 L

2021 (1-4):
W- KY #18
L - FL #11
L - Ole Miss #13
L - AL #4
L - GA #1

2022 (5-1):
W - Pitt #17
W - FL #20
W - AL #3
W - KY #19
W - Clem #7
L - GA #3

2023 (1-3):
W - IA #17
L - AL #11
L - MO #14
L - GA #1

2024 (3-2):
W - NC St #24
W - OK #15
W - AL #7
L - GA #13
L - OSU #8

2025 (0-3): Through 9 games
L - GA #6
L - AL #6
L - OK #18
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Ok. You're correct. I thought you were talking overall record.
 
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#59
#59
#1fulmerite said:
With all of the threads somehow related to CJH tenure here and posts in threads either leaning towards him being “run off by fan base” or another program picking him up, how long do you think he stays at Tennessee?

I, for one, originally thought he was a place holder until a better coach came along. It seems his coaching record topped out fast in year two. Although we made the playoffs last year, with the SEC going to nine games, it may be a while before we see as soft of a schedule we had last year.

Saying that, if we continuously win only 8/9 games a season, Volnation will look at Georgia and Ritch and, demand a change.
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Lol. The troll of polls. Didn't see this going this way did you 🤣🤣🤣🤣
 
#61
#61
LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
In any case, he finished out year 5 barring unforeseen health or legal issues, but he isn’t making it to year 10. He is a step in the right direction from where we were, but he has zero chance of getting us where we want to be.
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Define where we want to be in realistic terms based on college football as it exists today. This is not the 1900's college football - heck, this isn't even then 2000 - 2015 football.

Gone are the days of a team dominating year after year after year. I do think we still have many schools, not just Tennessee, that are still stuck in the past - but we had a 2-loss team that won the championship last year.

I personally think the goal post is making the playoffs with consistency. That doesn't imply there will be a year when we miss it - because with the automatic qualifiers and potential upsets in the conference championship games - lose 2 (which should be considered a GREAT season in the SEC) and you may not make it.
 
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utVolFanInVA said:
Facts against Top 25 teams:

2021 - 2022: 6 W, 5 L
2023 - 2025: 4 W, 8 L

2021 (1-4):
W- KY #18
L - FL #11
L - Ole Miss #13
L - AL #4
L - GA #1

2022 (5-1):
W - Pitt #17
W - FL #20
W - AL #3
W - KY #19
W - Clem #7
L - GA #3

2023 (1-3):
W - IA #17
L - AL #11
L - MO #14
L - GA #1

2024 (3-2):
W - NC St #24
W - OK #15
W - AL #7
L - GA #13
L - OSU #8

2025 (0-3): Through 9 games
L - GA #6
L - AL #6
L - OK #18
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For things like this - do you use the rank at the time the game is played or the rank at the end of the year?

The AP / Coaches rankings quite frankly do not matter anymore. Their only purpose is for television viewers.

For example, if you use the year end poll for 2022 - the record was 3-2. (South Carolina ended up ranked in the final polls, KY and FL were not). Not trying to take away from that year, but if you took all teams and compared to year end - numbers look different.
 
#64
#64
volfan102455 said:
For things like this - do you use the rank at the time the game is played or the rank at the end of the year?

The AP / Coaches rankings quite frankly do not matter anymore. Their only purpose is for television viewers.

For example, if you use the year end poll for 2022 - the record was 3-2. (South Carolina ended up ranked in the final polls, KY and FL were not). Not trying to take away from that year, but if you took all teams and compared to year end - numbers look different.
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Used the ranking at the time the game was played. Your point is valid though especially for ranked games played early in the season where rankings may not be accurate or for bowl games played not part of the playoffs where opt outs impact team performance. Tough to really get an oranges to oranges comparison across years.
 
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#65
#1fulmerite said:
With all of the threads somehow related to CJH tenure here and posts in threads either leaning towards him being “run off by fan base” or another program picking him up, how long do you think he stays at Tennessee?

I, for one, originally thought he was a place holder until a better coach came along. It seems his coaching record topped out fast in year two. Although we made the playoffs last year, with the SEC going to nine games, it may be a while before we see as soft of a schedule we had last year.

Saying that, if we continuously win only 8/9 games a season, Volnation will look at Georgia and Ritch and, demand a change.
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After he wins 2 SEC titles, you can compare him to CMR.
 
#67
#67
volfan102455 said:
For things like this - do you use the rank at the time the game is played or the rank at the end of the year?

The AP / Coaches rankings quite frankly do not matter anymore. Their only purpose is for television viewers.

For example, if you use the year end poll for 2022 - the record was 3-2. (South Carolina ended up ranked in the final polls, KY and FL were not). Not trying to take away from that year, but if you took all teams and compared to year end - numbers look different.
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Updated CJH performance against Top 25 teams based on weekly rankings vs end of season rankings. I'll let the numbers speak for themselves.

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#68
#68
Volfan8282 said:
A dynasty? Holy crap.
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Lol

camp_steveo said:
What, you don't think that's what he's doing? What else would he be doing? Just hanging out... coaching football for money.... The goal is what it is man. Become the greatest. Why else would someone pursue this career?
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Do you know what the word dynasty means?

Saban built a dynasty……

volfan102455 said:
I believe he is going to consistently win 9 to 10 games which given the current state of the SEC and the move to 9 SEC games should be enough.
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Enough to what is the question?

We will very possibly win 9 thus year and have beaten absolutely no one. So is your goal for winning a number? Or a certain accomplishment?
 
#69
#69
utVolFanInVA said:
Used the ranking at the time the game was played. Your point is valid though especially for ranked games played early in the season where rankings may not be accurate or for bowl games played not part of the playoffs where opt outs impact team performance. Tough to really get an oranges to oranges comparison across years.
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This is appropriate way to view record against rankings. End of season can be skewed by injuries that happen after UT played a team. Ranking at the time should reflect the strength of the team at the time the game is played.

JMO
 
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#71
volfan102455 said:
I believe he is going to consistently win 9 to 10 games which given the current state of the SEC and the move to 9 SEC games should be enough.
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Going to 9 games is going to make it more difficult to get 9 or 10 wins. 4 losses in the conference will be a popular stat in my opinion. Not just talking Tennessee but all teams
 
#73
#73
utVolFanInVA said:
CJH has a record of 10-13 (0.435) vs Top 25 teams in 4+ years, since 2023 CJH has a record of 4-8 (0.333) vs Top 25 teams.

That stat has to improve to at least 0.500 or CJH's tenure will be shorter then he would desire.
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I guess only Tennessee fans think every elite coach wants to be in Knoxville. Numerous coaches turned us down before Dooley, Jones, and Heupel accepted the position.
 
#75
#75
LWSVOL said:
This is appropriate way to view record against rankings. End of season can be skewed by injuries that happen after UT played a team. Ranking at the time should reflect the strength of the team at the time the game is played.

JMO
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Meh, that cuts both ways, especially early in the season when teams may not be ranked properly.
 
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