Auburn Fires Hugh Freeze

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LouderVol said:
Freeze's Auburn team is more talented, on paper, than his Ole Miss teams.

In 4 full seasons at Ole Miss he had two top 10 classes. #8, #15, #16, #5

In 3 full seasons at Auburn he also had 2 top ten classes. #18, #10, #6

Freezes Auburn team still has more talent than Heupel has.
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When are you people gonna stop looking at recruiting rankings to decide how much talent is on a particular roster?

That thought process is way outdated. You need to come up with a current evaluation metric.
 
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05_never_again said:
Freeze's problem at Auburn is singular. He didn't get a QB from the portal before the 2024 season and he went with Jackson Arnold for this season. It really shouldn't be shocking to anyone that Arnold isn't good. It isn't like he was a backup at a prior school and therefore an unknown commodity, or killed it at a prior school and is inexplicably struggling at Auburn. He stunk at OU last year and looks exactly the same at Auburn. At some point you have to move on from a guy's star rating and just concede that the evals were off and he isn't good.

Their defense is actually pretty good. It's absolutely unbelievable that the most points they've given up in any game this year is 24, but they're 4-5. If Freeze was able to have gotten or developed just an average/replacement level SEC QB instead of the ones he's had, they might be undefeated. Seriously.
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Or change your offense to match what he does do well (run the ball). Arnold seems like the perfect replacement for Haynes King at GT next year. That's how Auburn should have been using him this year. A large dose of jet sweeps and designed QB runs which open up the passing game and masks Arnold's passing limitations.
 
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Oldvoldad said:
When are you people gonna stop looking at recruiting rankings to decide how much talent is on a particular roster?

That thought process is way outdated. You need to come up with a current evaluation metric.
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like make up what ratings you want, so that you can over-or-de-emphasize how good a team is based on the latest results?

if you have a fair system that we can use, I would love to see it.
 
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I think that he had some good talent but execution and not going for a portal QB really killed Auburn this year. Previous years they stank because it's Auburn.
 
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Butch Jones 5-4 (4-1 conf) is pulling down those championships of life trophies and moral victories.
 
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LouderVol said:
like make up what ratings you want, so that you can over-or-de-emphasize how good a team is based on the latest results?

if you have a fair system that we can use, I would love to see it.
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I don't have one. That's my point. Nobody can truly judge the current overall talent on any given roster. This current climate came on before all the gurus could make the adjustment. But, to suggest HS recruiting class rankings can tell you what a roster truly looks like is insane.
 
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TNHopeful505 said:
Honestly, my biggest fear here is that Franklin goes to Auburn. He has the right level of douchery to be highly annoying there.
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Franklin will be highly annoying no matter where he goes, but him going to Auburn would not be a bad thing.
 
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TNHopeful505 said:
Honestly, my biggest fear here is that Franklin goes to Auburn. He has the right level of douchery to be highly annoying there.
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I think Franklin woudl be better off at UK because it's basically Vanderbilt again. He would beat all the teams they should and still lose to the good team but he would bring some excitement a while. The problem with Stoops is even in his 2 best years he still dropped games to teams he shouldn't have, Franklin generally is better at that. He just can't beat the best teams he plays but UK alredy can't so no change there. And less pressure at UK than a place like Auburn.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
I think Franklin woudl be better off at UK because it's basically Vanderbilt again. He would beat all the teams they should and still lose to the good team but he would bring some excitement a while. The problem with Stoops is even in his 2 best years he still dropped games to teams he shouldn't have, Franklin generally is better at that. He just can't beat the best teams he plays but UK alredy can't so no change there. And less pressure at UK than a place like Auburn.
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Except the Kentucky job is not open. Stoops isn't getting fired and I sincerely doubt he retires.
 
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Oldvoldad said:
I don't have one. That's my point. Nobody can truly judge the current overall talent on any given roster. This current climate came on before all the gurus could make the adjustment. But, to suggest HS recruiting class rankings can tell you what a roster truly looks like is insane.
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insane, but the best option we have.

wins don't reflect talent.
poll rankings don't reflect talent.
just wait 4 years to see who gets drafted where?

until we have a better, objective system, I am offering the most widely accepted option out there.
 
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Godfatha said:
I think he has quiet retired, waiting on them to be forced to give him his buyout.
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I'm not sure I disagree, just not sure Kentucky has the stones to force him out in a season where there are so many openings more prestigious than Kentucky.
 
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miket4god said:
I'm not sure I disagree, just not sure Kentucky has the stones to force him out in a season where there are so many openings more prestigious than Kentucky.
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No doubt. They'd be stupid to give him a contract extension, so fire him next year is a smaller buyout.
 
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miket4god said:
Except the Kentucky job is not open. Stoops isn't getting fired and I sincerely doubt he retires.
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I'm not sure he won't. If he doesn't it's only because there are too many better openings. He hit his peak with winning 10 games twice and the Citrus Bowl twice (well techincally once since they had to vacate all 2021 wins) but since 2021 he's 18-25 and about to go 4-8 for the second year in a row.

I know it's Kentucky but they still like filling the stadium and apathy has gotten to where that's not happening as much anymore.
 
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ETV said:
Day was handed the keys to a ferrari that is OSU. All he had to do was keep changing the oil.
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Ohio State is one of the harder jobs to screw up. In my lifetime they’ve only had one coach with a losing record and that was Luke Fickell in 2011 as an interim.
 
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LouderVol said:
insane, but the best option we have.

wins don't reflect talent.
poll rankings don't reflect talent.
just wait 4 years to see who gets drafted where?

until we have a better, objective system, I am offering the most widely accepted option out there.
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Make the playoff. That means you are a top 10 team. Do that 3/4 years I'll be 100% pleased. 2/4 ok. Less then that you got to go
 
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