Recruiting Forum Football Talk IX

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#62,851
MarcoVol said:
Don’t think that was a given. Hasn’t been dominant anywhere else in 13 years of college coaching.
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THIS.

The d*mn romanticism with the “what could have been” Kiffin is exhausting.

He’s a good coach. That’s it. Too immature to lead a team through the rigors of a championship run.
 
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So according to ESPN, USC can make it by having good loses to both Illinois and ND who have beaten NO ONE if they just beat Oregon who has beaten NO ONE. And we are debating if an 10-2 SEC team that has went through the 8 game SEC gauntlet will get left out. The Little10 and ND media bias is crazy.

First team out: USC. The Trojans' two losses were on the road to respectable teams (Illinois and Notre Dame) by a combined 12 points. Their best win was Oct. 11 against Michigan, but the Trojans could really boost their résumé this month and completely flip the script with Oregon if they can win in Eugene on Nov. 22. According to ESPN Analytics, USC has the fourth-best chance in the Big Ten to reach the playoff (17.3%), just ahead of Michigan. The only game it's not favored to win is Nov. 22 at Oregon. If the Trojans can pull off that upset for a 10-2 finish, the committee would definitely consider them for an at-large spot.
 
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knoxvol52 said:
If you believe that 12 SEC teams should make playoffs,then I don't know what to tell you... because it's not happening..
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I don’t, I just don’t understand what the criteria actually is. It seems we are given so many in Little10 and ND for losses to quality teams but not forcing them to have any quality wins.

I get UT just loss. But previous to this weekend the only two losses were to top 5 teams with one being they should have one but others like ND was moving up in polls with unranked wins but UT was not.
 
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johnfnkelly said:
Hooker has been a non factor in the league, so yea there’s definitely another level of QB play this program can hit.
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If the point is “no QB that has been great in NFL” then agreed, but get in line I guess. 32 NFL teams and only about half them have legit franchise QBs anyway.
 
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Lloyd_Christmas said:
You missed the point entirely. Hooker put up some elite numbers, but he wasn't an elite first round guy at QB. Heupel's system can make a good QB look great...which has been great for us...but we've yet to see a truly elite TALENT (physical AND mental) in his system.
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Not many are so it’s dumb to point to NFL production to label college QBs.

TN has had 1 NFL QB that meets your criteria in its 100+ years.
 
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RandomUTfan said:
I wonder if DJ Durkin gets that job in the end. It will probably create some controversy but the last guy they hired did too.
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Why not? He's good. He'll be cheap.....cheaper....
use the extra $$$$$ on players...........not a coach.

I see that happening more down the road. Why pay Kiffin 12/13 million? Or anyone for that matter? Use the money on players.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Not many are so it’s dumb to point to NFL production to label college QBs.

TN has had 1 NFL QB that meets your criteria in its 100+ years.
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Where did I point to NFL production? If you're going to call what I've said "dumb", at least make sure you actually understand what I said. Someone else talked about Hooker's NFL production...not me. You reference my "criteria" but can't even get that right. You must be one of the folks on here just looking to argue. Find someone else.
 
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Lloyd_Christmas said:
Where did I point to NFL production? If you're going to call what I've said "dumb", at least make sure you actually understand what I said. Someone else talked about Hooker's NFL production...not me. You reference my "criteria" but can't even get that right. You must be one of the folks on here just looking to argue. Find someone else.
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Not that it matters, but I thought the point was fine. Heupel makes good QBs great. Imagine if he actually had a great QB.
 
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#62,860
I just want chaos for the rest of the season nobody but Indiana and Texas ATM go undefeated regular season

Iowa beat USC and Oregon then lose to Nebraska
Notre Dame loses to Pitt or Syracuse
Oklahoma lose to Mizzou and Bama
Georgia lose to Ga Tech and Texas
Texas lose to ATM
LSU beat OK and Bama
Vandy lose to us and Auburn
Kentucky beat Louisville
UCLA beats one of OSU, Wash or USC
Big 12 cannibalize itself
Michigan lose to Northwestern but then beat OSU

Watch the NCAAFB world burn!
 
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peaygolf said:
Why not? He's good. He'll be cheap.....cheaper....
use the extra $$$$$ on players...........not a coach.

I see that happening more down the road. Why pay Kiffin 12/13 million? Or anyone for that matter? Use the money on players.
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Because the pool to pay coaches is not necessarily the same pool that funds the collective to buy players. There are schools that are giving coaches ridiculous contracts that have poor booster support for their collectives. Florida, for example.
 
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RandomUTfan said:
Because the pool to pay coaches is not necessarily the same pool that funds the collective to buy players. There are schools that are giving coaches ridiculous contracts that have poor booster support for their collectives. Florida, for example.
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Players are not being Bought or paid as you insinuate. It is for their Name Image and Likenes…




LOL
 
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Lloyd_Christmas said:
Where did I point to NFL production? If you're going to call what I've said "dumb", at least make sure you actually understand what I said. Someone else talked about Hooker's NFL production...not me. You reference my "criteria" but can't even get that right. You must be one of the folks on here just looking to argue. Find someone else.
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I did mix up you and the other poster.

Still, you're saying elite QB = first round pick, and Hooker would have been a first rounder without the ACL tear. I get that's a "what if" and pointless, but I define an elite QB at TN based purely on how they produce while here.

I guess my main argument is just you can say "Heupel's not produced a first round QB" rather than saying something that can misinterpreted like "elite"

cause JJ McCarthy isn't an elite QB, but he went 10th overall, Anthony Richardson went 4th and he's not elite
 
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knoxvol52 said:
Fahr Caldwell...
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NMVol said:
It was apparent that Kiffin would have been dominant if he were committed and stayed. Problem was it just wasn't in his character.
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I don't agree that domination was apparent; I do think it was obvious he could coach (Crompton's turnaround!). His character when he was here (& for several years after that) was a problem. I haven't watched the documentary on him, but definitely seems more mature - seems like his kids finally raised him right! I also think he & his staff (or at least Orgeron) played fast & loose & I think NCAA would've been on us faster than they were under Fulmer/Pruitt (tho, who knows, maybe they would've been smarter about it).
 
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#62,872
Hot take:

I think a 9-3 team has a shot to make the playoff this year. I think we will see much more chaos and a 9-3 SEC or big ten school has a better shot at the playoff than a 10-2 GT, Louisville, or Virginia.

Not that it will happen, but I think we see much more chaos and it could get interesting.
 
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