Recruiting Forum Football Talk IX

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Blake25p said:
So we’ll have more leave than we thought but at the same time have more stay than we thought? I might be an idiot because I have no idea what this means lol.
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More freshmen and backups leave than we thought. People who contribute that we planned on having next year could be gone that are good players.

Some players who were draft bound or likely leaving may stay. Moe, Carter, and maybe a starting corner (less likely but getting more interesting).

Should be very interesting to see who we keep and who goes. I expect us to have to spend heavily to keep some good players and add from the portal. And up some current packages to win next year. Get to donating people as it’s going to take some funds.
 
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volbeast33 said:
The Dodgers were preseason favorites. They finished with the third best record in the National League and had to fight their way out of the wildcard round. Going into the World Series, I would have bet on the Blue Jays to win the Series especially with home field advantage . They had a slight advantage with hitting, and a bigger advantage with their bullpen. The Dodgers held the advantage with starting pitching. The Dodgers bullpen lost their only reliable arm to a very serious personal issue.

You missed a great series and the Bluejays had the game won and blew it.
Baseball has much more parity than the other sport bc just bc you have the best team on paper doesn’t mean that you will win it all. Go Dodgers!!!
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Rishvol said:
Yep. Fumble happens but should've been called back for offsides. Later that half them same line judge missed an obvious false start on the 50+ yard FG. So that's 10 points for OU that shouldn't have happened
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every good edge rusher lines up in a similar manner. Joey should have seen the rush coming at him.
 
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Rishvol said:
Yep. Fumble happens but should've been called back for offsides. Later that half them same line judge missed an obvious false start on the 50+ yard FG. So that's 10 points for OU that shouldn't have happened
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Yup - same ole same ole.

Between officials and a better kicker they are 8-1 and nobody is talking much, except about the defensive coaching.
 
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SmyrnaATLVolisback said:
More freshmen and backups leave than we thought. People who contribute that we planned on having next year could be gone that are good players.

Some players who were draft bound or likely leaving may stay. Moi, Carter, and maybe a starting corner (less likely but getting more interesting).

Should be very interesting to see who we keep and who goes. I expect us to have to spend heavily to keep some good players and add from the portal. And up some current packages to win next year. Get to donating people as it’s going to take some funds.
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I owe you an apology for my personal attack yesterday morning. You have a right to your opinion and perspective. Do appreciate the info you bring to the board. Peace
 
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Weezer said:
Don't like the sound of this. I just don't feel we can afford to lose a lot. And I'm not confident we'll be aggressive enough in the portal to mitigate those losses. It brings back memories of begging them to take more defense in last year's portal.
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It is what it is. I doubt we lose major pieces. We always pay those guys and likely overpay. But some good depth will likely go. I’m not concerned, our recruiting class is amazing and we are going to spend a lot in the portal.
 
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Rishvol said:
Yep. Fumble happens but should've been called back for offsides. Later that half them same line judge missed an obvious false start on the 50+ yard FG. So that's 10 points for OU that shouldn't have happened
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That dude was on my side of field.

He shorted us almost half a yard on every spot compared to guy on other side field
 
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Happy Monday. Prayers for anyone struggling today.

November 3, 2025: When you are having a really rough day, you must quiet your soul, and refuse to get flustered. God is your very present help in times of trouble. Lean on Christ and trust that He will show you the way through. The Lord will never leave nor forsake you. Deuteronomy 31:8 The Lord himself goes before you and will be with you; he will never leave you nor forsake you. Do not be afraid; do not be discouraged.
 
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I'm really glad our schedule sets up the way it does these last few weeks. After that tough loss we get a couple weeks to regroup to beat two of our biggest rivals. Strange but we're potentially going to be playing spoiler for Vandys playoff hopes. If we beat Florida in the Swamp and crush the commodes dreams to get to 9-3 then it really would be a fantastic season in my opinion. Then we can go beat some B10 or ACC team to get to our third 10+ win season in 4 years.

I'm hoping like heck this can happen for us
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I'm not suggesting anything. I would hope Josh would recognize where his weaknesses on the staff are and correct those. I can't seem to get a clear answer. It seems to me I'm being told that 7-5, 8-4, 9-3 should be the norm with an occasional better than that and that I should be ok with it. Is that your opinion that fans should just accept that?
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You're smarter than that InVol. You remind me of my brother that just likes to argue. He's not suggesting that we just accept average but he is suggesting you have to look beyond one game or season and take a situation in totality. Have you seen our results over the last 3-4 years? We are clearly in the conversation for playoffs and have a better than average coach. There are also enormous risk to making a coaching change that could leave you with a much worse coach. How often does hiring and firing coaches every few years leave you with positive results? I'll give you a clue, rarely. You have to recognize that in modern college football there are numerous schools with equal resources and several with far more. Not sure how losing to Oklahoma by making some really bad mistakes means Heupel has numerous problems. Football is a funny game that has some odd bounces from time to time. You do realize that Oklahoma is a storied program with enormous resources and multiple national championships. You also have to take a step back and ask yourself, do you think we can upgrade by firing Heupel? The odds are extremely low. Can't we just realize that the SEC is extremely competitive and we are going to be in a dog fight to qualify for the playoffs 2-3 times in a five year window. In all of sports, show me a team that is constantly changing coaches and I will show you a dumpster fire. Stability is our friend. It's also not helpful for the legion of the miserable to be on social media blasting our coach saying he's not the guy or that he sucks. Heupel is human and would be crazy not to listen to other teams that are wanting to talk with him. You know all this and just want to argue so I'll leave it at that. TLDR
 
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dmwvol12 said:
You're smarter than that InVol. You remind me of my brother that just likes to argue. He's not suggesting that we just accept average but he is suggesting you have to look beyond one game or season and take a situation in totality. Have you seen our results over the last 3-4 years? We are clearly in the conversation for playoffs and have a better than average coach. There are also enormous risk to making a coaching change that could leave you with a much worse coach. How often does hiring and firing coaches every few years leave you with positive results? I'll give you a clue, rarely. You have to recognize that in modern college football there are numerous schools with equal resources and several with far more. Not sure how losing to Oklahoma by making some really bad mistakes means Heupel has numerous problems. Football is a funny game that has some odd bounces from time to time. You do realize that Oklahoma is a storied program with enormous resources and multiple national championships. You also have to take a step back and ask yourself, do you think we can upgrade by firing Heupel? The odds are extremely low. Can't we just realize that the SEC is extremely competitive and we are going to be in a dog fight to qualify for the playoffs 2-3 times in a five year window. In all of sports, show me a team that is constantly changing coaches and I will show you a dumpster fire. Stability is our friend. It's also not helpful for the legion of the miserable to be on social media blasting our coach saying he's not the guy or that he sucks. Heupel is human and would be crazy not to listen to other teams that are wanting to talk with him. You know all this and just want to argue so I'll leave it at that. TLDR
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I've not argued for anything. In most cases I've simply asked questions. Questions that seem to bother people because they know the true answers but dont want to acknowledge them. I've said repeatedly that I'm not for firing Heupel. That doesn't mean I have confidence that he will ever be more than a 9-3 average year on year coach. That seems to be ok with a lot of posters, and that's fine.

As I've said many times, these are always financial decisions. As long as DW has people throwing money at him, he'll be here as long as he wants.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Sorry, I missed that. So we should define success as being one of the teams that are fighting for one of the at large bids every 2,3, or 4 years?
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You can define it however you want to. I’ve not quite got my bearings in this new era. I think I’d rather not make it all about the playoffs, but I’m not sure that’s realistic anymore. I still care about rivalry wins, protecting Neyland, winning the big non-conference games, etc…but I don’t think most fans will value those things much, going forward, if they aren’t accompanied by a postseason berth.

But more to your point, I do believe we’re arriving at the era where, for most SEC teams, 10-2 is a great year, 9-3 is a good year, and 8-4 is a pretty good, but slightly disappointing year. That’s what happens when you make your sport the NFL-lite.
 
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SmyrnaATLVolisback said:
It is what it is. I doubt we lose major pieces. We always pay those guys and likely overpay. But some good depth will likely go. I’m not concerned, our recruiting class is amazing and we are going to spend a lot in the portal.
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My only concern is that good depth is vital for this league and to possibly contend. We can’t keep leaning on freshmen.
 
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Jimmy Football said:
You can define it however you want to. I’ve not quite got my bearings in this new era. I think I’d rather not make it all about the playoffs, but I’m not sure that’s realistic anymore. I still care about rivalry wins, protecting Neyland, winning the big non-conference games, etc…but I don’t think most fans will value those things much, going forward, if they aren’t accompanied by a postseason berth.

But more to your point, I do believe we’re arriving at the era where, for most SEC teams, 10-2 is a great year, 9-3 is a good year, and 8-4 is a pretty good, but slightly disappointing year. That’s what happens when you make your sport the NFL-lite.
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The playoffs are expanding. To get in, you pretty much just need to be a top 16 team or so. Making the playoffs should be achievable most years with the money that's pouring in.
 
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Jimmy Football said:
You can define it however you want to. I’ve not quite got my bearings in this new era. I think I’d rather not make it all about the playoffs, but I’m not sure that’s realistic anymore. I still care about rivalry wins, protecting Neyland, winning the big non-conference games, etc…but I don’t think most fans will value those things much, going forward, if they aren’t accompanied by a postseason berth.

But more to your point, I do believe we’re arriving at the era where, for most SEC teams, 10-2 is a great year, 9-3 is a good year, and 8-4 is a pretty good, but slightly disappointing year. That’s what happens when you make your sport the NFL-lite.
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They have to expand the playoff and let us watch great games every weekend. Play mostly P4 teams and have great matchups every week to keep the fans entertained. And if you have 24 teams, then fans aren’t losing their minds or checking out with an 8-4 season.

Fans are already checking out on 9-3 seasons since you are elimanted from the playoffs and that’s not good for the sport.

It should have stayed at four or gone much larger. Bowl games are essentially meaningless now. IMO
 
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