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Smokey123 said:
He had a guy in his face (to the right) and another guy right in front of him. He couldn’t zip it. That ball was picked off either way. The defender dictated that throw
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I think the worst thing about that play other than being called was how it was setup. That should have probably been the play before and then we don’t waste timeout if it’s incomplete and they wouldn’t have seen it coming. And if it didn’t work we run after and use the timeout after that if we have to.
 
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Smokey123 said:
He played about as good as he could have against uga

I do think he made some very costly mistakes last night that cost the game though. The safety was on him, a couple bad passes stalled drives (although made a lot more good passes) and the pick six while was terrible call he shoulda throw it in the stands
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Just realize, I'm saying mistake free. It's a much higher bar than "good enough"

He doesn't have the luxury of great defensive play like Nico and even Joe got. Hell even Hooker had better defensive play than this in 2022...that's what's so frustrating -this- year is our worst defense in Heupel's tenure.

2021 (year 1) defense gave up 29.1 points a game and 421.7 total yards.
2025 defense is giving up 30.4 points a game and 390.9 total yards.
 
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csprig9 said:
He brought in hobby and littrell
That’s good people
Jim Chaney is helping
Bama wanted inge
Everyone loved banks last year
Lost 2 top cbs
Young lbs

Safety play is bad and I do blame banks for that

Need to portal guys
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I’m not saying fire Banks but he was a benefactor last year of one of the best DLines in the country. Made his job a ton easier. Safety is maybe the weakest link on the team and is his position group.
 
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RandomUTfan said:
Anytime a Gator fan mentions him on any of their boards, they are shot down and drowned out. It would be an elite hire for them and the fans would still be disappointed.
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What's funny is... Our fans did the same thing when Franklin was rumored in 2021 when we were waaaay more down than Florida is right now.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Just realize, I'm saying mistake free. It's a much higher bar than "good enough"

He doesn't have the luxury of great defensive play like Nico and even Joe got. Hell even Hooker had better defensive play than this in 2022...that's what's so frustrating -this- year is our worst defense in Heupel's tenure.

2021 (year 1) defense gave up 29.1 points a game and 421.7 total yards.
2025 defense is giving up 30.4 points a game and 390.9 total yards.
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Ya I’m saying uga was about as mistake free as you’ll find from a QB. Especially in college. The Staley slip wasn’t a mistake and the 3rd and long heave which was basically a punt wasn’t either. I don’t think he was sacked, he completed a high % of throws, 375 yards. The only real mistakes you could maybe say was our 2nd to last drive if they were RPO/read options he shoulda kept 2 of them

Our defense has been awful no doubt but they were improved last night, and with our back end schedule much weaker I think those numbers improve. I just wish we had Gibson and McCoy
 
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MemphisVol3 said:
I’m not saying fire Banks but he was a benefactor last year of one of the best DLines in the country. Made his job a ton easier. Safety is maybe the weakest link on the team and is his position group.
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I think safety play is the one of the two iunexcusable parts of this team. I can overlook corner play with 2 injuries but our safety room is a result of roster mismanagement and lack of development
 
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MemphisVol3 said:
I’m not saying fire Banks but he was a benefactor last year of one of the best DLines in the country. Made his job a ton easier. Safety is maybe the weakest link on the team and is his position group.
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The DL is still great. He also lost the majority of his secondary in McCoy, Gibson, Thomas, Brooks and a motivated Boo Carter.
 
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I think Franklin taking that Penn State job when he did was a bold move. It's literally paid off for him though.

But I don't think he wants to be in the SEC again, and Penn State was one of the most "protected" Big 10 jobs around (they always have a favorable schedule and only get tested once or twice normally).

No clue where he ends up, but based on the sort of expectations he seems to prefer I wouldn't be shocked at all if OK State is a spot he'd land.

They can pay as well as anyone else, pretty solid location for recruiting considering all the talent around the state, in a conference where you can thrive and likely only face 2 or 3 really tough teams every year and the bar for success isn't really that high there. It took Gundy going 3-9 and starting 1-2 before they were done with him. Franklin likely wins 8+ every year there.
 
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VolInDayton said:
I think safety play is the one of the two iunexcusable parts of this team. I can overlook corner play with 2 injuries but our safety room is a result of roster mismanagement and lack of development
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Bingo.

Also who has Banks really brought in to that room that's been even great?

Will Brooks = walk-on and even with how well he played in his last year was he really great?

2026 class... Jowell Combay, KJ McClain & Luke Thompson all 3 outside top 45 at their position
2025 class... Sidney Walton the only S recruited and our lowest rated
2024 class... John Slaughter & Jack Luttrell 3 stars and neither even on the team now
2023 class... Jourdan Thomas still not playing even in 2 deep

Just don't get it.... secondary is the issue every year and it's like Banks/Willie think they're elite player development guys or something. But all the best production has come from dudes that came here in the portal and were developed elsewhere.
 
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SmyrnaATLVolisback said:
Why is it always the players and personnel?

Isn’t it the coaches job to get the right players and portal for needs?

I get tired of always it’s players faults. This game didn’t scream a player issue. It was a lack of effort on some plays and stupid play calls.

You don’t throw at the end of the half from the one. At worst you kick a field goal or miss a run in. And it’s a one score game.

We went man for a few series and got some stops. Then switched back to zone and got killed. Why switch? We could have had a three and out to start the game and a long third down and we went to Banks third and done and it was automatic.
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Don’t think I was blaming players just stating we have some pretty glaring deficiencies. You can blame the coaches or players. Probably some of both. Ultimately it’s the coaches responsibility but the other team is paying their players and coaches also. By most metrics Alabama still has a more talented roster. I just don’t live and die by the results of a college football game.
 
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I think when you lose like we did and you know we had a hand in helping the other team win, and you've seen those same things all season in games we've won.. It just confirms your worst feelings.

So the back end of the defense is just bad. The lbs are not great. The defensive line can rush the QB and get tfls.

The defense as a group looks like defenses we fielded in the 2010's and that's scary as hell... You can thank injuries and the portal. If you blame banks, fine,I won't argue. But personnel is the bigger issue, imo.

Offensively...I think last night was the worst the oline has been all year, which was disappointing. I wasn't worried about that..... Now? FL and OU have defensive lines and front 7s that are real issues for THAT version of our o line. And vandy plays clean football that can certainly take advantage of a team that gives away opportunities life we do.

From a coaching standpoint... The multitude of mental mistakes are unacceptable. It's year 5, culture set, this staff's roster... We cannot compete at the level we want if we shoot ourselves in the face every game.

I've said it a hundred times..I can deal with getting beat by a better team. I cannot stand helping the other team best us and that's what we did last night. But we've shown the propensity for it all year.

10-2 and a playoff spot is still very much possible.

But I feel 8-4 is closer today than at any point this season as I type this, this morning. I think this team lacks player leadership. I think this team has an accountability issue. And I don't know that gets fixed in time to matter.

Nobody deserves to be fired or anything, not what I'm saying. Just that this year, despite the start and improved QB/wr may, in fact, be the transition year so many thought it would be to begin with.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Bingo.

Also who has Banks really brought in to that room that's been even great?

Will Brooks = walk-on and even with how well he played in his last year was he really great?

2026 class... Jowell Combay, KJ McClain & Luke Thompson all 3 outside top 45 at their position
2025 class... Sidney Walton the only S recruited and our lowest rated
2024 class... John Slaughter & Jack Luttrell 3 stars and neither even on the team now
2023 class... Jourdan Thomas still not playing even in 2 deep

Just don't get it.... secondary is the issue every year and it's like Banks/Willie think they're elite player development guys or something. But all the best production has come from dudes that came here in the portal and were developed elsewhere.
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Uh Jourdan Thomas has a pretty good reason not to be in the 2-deep.

www.rockytopinsider.com

‘Why I Keep Going’: Jourdan Thomas Following New Football Path After Devastating Injury | Rocky Top Insider

Tennessee football's Jourdan Thomas is following a new football path following a devastating leg injury that likely ended his playing career.
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