Another Government Shutdown Thread

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RockyTop85 said:
My bad, I meant to say non-partisan. It’s an anti-deficit advocacy group.
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No worries. I was trying to understand the post as it related to the link. Thanks.

There are some other provisions to repeal previously passed policy in addition to expanding other policy. Do you see those as worthy of compromise?
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Apparently, Duffy says he’s just going to fire the ATC’s that call in sick.
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Duffy’s an idiot. He also said pilots should be fired if they miss a radio call. S*** gets busy up there sometimes. Wouldn’t be able to man a single flight if he did that.
 
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rekinhavoc said:
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IF the Republicans cave and let the Dems make it where we are paying for free medical and dental for millions of illegal aliens I will publicly denounce them, withdraw from the party completely and not support them financially or otherwise. If they give in to this BS then THEY have gone to far for any logical Conservative to support them anymore. We need a viable 3rd party if they are gonna betray us voters. I will have to vote on a case by case basis and seriously consider the Libertarian candidates even though thats a wasted vote these days. I cannot support politicians that do things which I am 100% opposed to. My kids are 24 and 17 now. Neither of them nor my wife has EVER had medical or dental insurance. We pay for things out of pocket because its cheaper unless part of your company benefits. Not 1 illegal immigrant is entitled for me to pay for their insurance. Period. Its ridiculous on its face. Illegals should be DEported. Not SUPported.

The 2 party system sucks anyway. The Republicans are clearly the best choice for the country right now, but if we are being honest that just makes them "the tallest midget we can choose from." They gave WAY to much away in the BBB they passed. Trillions of dollars of nonsense to get it passed. We need actual fiscal responsibility rather than these politicians always spending other peoples money like drunken sailors.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
IF the Republicans cave and let the Dems make it where we are paying for free medical and dental for millions of illegal aliens I will publicly denounce them, withdraw from the party completely and not support them financially or otherwise. If they give in to this BS then THEY have gone to far for any logical Conservative to support them anymore. We need a viable 3rd party if they are gonna betray us voters. I will have to vote on a case by case basis and seriously consider the Libertarian candidates even though thats a wasted vote these days. I cannot support politicians that do things which I am 100% opposed to. My kids are 24 and 17 now. Neither of them nor my wife has EVER had medical or dental insurance. We pay for things out of pocket because its cheaper unless part of your company benefits. Not 1 illegal immigrant is entitled for me to pay for their insurance. Period. Its ridiculous on its face. Illegals should be DEported. Not SUPported.

The 2 party system sucks anyway. The Republicans are clearly the best choice for the country right now, but if we are being honest that just makes them "the tallest midget we can choose from." They gave WAY to much away in the BBB they passed. Trillions of dollars of nonsense to get it passed. We need actual fiscal responsibility rather than these politicians always spending other peoples money like drunken sailors.
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I was a drunken sailor and I approve this message.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
The 1.5 trillion is the 10-year cost per a partisan budget group, so roughly 10% of that per year. I’m not sure what the net increase/decrease over FY2025 is because it seems like a lot of the stuff they’re asking for was in the CRs that comprised the bulk of the 2025 budget. I think the cuts to Medicaid that they want to roll back came with the actual budget passage about halfway through the fiscal year and the cuts to ACA haven’t taken effect yet.

www.crfb.org

Congress Should Not Add $1.5 Trillion to Debt in CR | Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget

Fiscal Year (FY) 2025 will end at midnight on September 30, and unless policymakers agree on passing all 12 appropriations bills or passing a continuing resolution (CR) before then, the federal
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These sorts of things should not be negotiated at gunpoint in the midst of a gov't shutdown. The majority of Congress is against this spending. The minority should not be able to shutdown the gov't 'cause they got outvoted when the budget went through its normal legislative process in the BBB
 
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Sea Ray said:
These sorts of things should not be negotiated at gunpoint in the midst of a gov't shutdown. The majority of Congress is against this spending. The minority should not be able to shutdown the gov't 'cause they got outvoted when the budget went through its normal legislative process in the BBB
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If the majority opinion is what matters then repeal the filibuster. Otherwise, negotiate 60 votes in the senate.
 
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McDad said:
No worries. I was trying to understand the post as it related to the link. Thanks.

There are some other provisions to repeal previously passed policy in addition to expanding other policy. Do you see those as worthy of compromise?
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I have zero interest in the specific deal. None of these items really affect me. I don’t have a strong opinion about much of it.

Pie in the sky, I’d prefer those policies be handled at the state level, but that would require a party willing to gird their loins and actually cut federal spending so that citizens can afford to be taxed by their states. Instead we have two parties spending more money each cycle and just cutting the other party’s priorities to pay for their own.

In this situation, I want Congress to function like a bunch of grown men (and women) and provide the government services that we are paying for/pay the people who are providing those services. They all knew they needed 60 votes in the senate and they didn’t do anything to get it. It’s like a high schooler who didn’t do the assignment trying to blame the teacher for not telling him when it was due.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
If the majority opinion is what matters then repeal the filibuster. Otherwise, negotiate 60 votes in the senate.
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I support the filibuster. If you can't get 60 votes then legislation cannot be passed and things stay the same. In the meantime the gov't should not be shutdown

Our founders wanted to make it difficult to pass laws. They did not intend for laws to be passed with less than 50% support. They did intend for passage to be blocked with less than 50% support. That's the difference
 
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RockyTop85 said:
I have zero interest in the specific deal. None of these items really affect me. I don’t have a strong opinion about much of it.

Pie in the sky, I’d prefer those policies be handled at the state level, but that would require a party willing to gird their loins and actually cut federal spending so that citizens can afford to be taxed by their states. Instead we have two parties spending more money each cycle and just cutting the other party’s priorities to pay for their own.

In this situation, I want Congress to function like a bunch of grown men (and women) and provide the government services that we are paying for/pay the people who are providing those services. They all knew they needed 60 votes in the senate and they didn’t do anything to get it. It’s like a high schooler who didn’t do the assignment trying to blame the teacher for not telling him when it was due.
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I understand that. Those details and specifics are really important for the yahoos in Congress.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
I have zero interest in the specific deal. None of these items really affect me. I don’t have a strong opinion about much of it.

Pie in the sky, I’d prefer those policies be handled at the state level, but that would require a party willing to gird their loins and actually cut federal spending so that citizens can afford to be taxed by their states. Instead we have two parties spending more money each cycle and just cutting the other party’s priorities to pay for their own.

In this situation, I want Congress to function like a bunch of grown men and provide the government services that we are paying for/pay the people who are providing those services.
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Congress has one function: to extract wealth from taxpayers and give it to wealthy elite class. If they fail they get fired. The partisan wrangling is just performative. Congress, the President and Supreme Court are not the power centers, they are the hired help middle-managers.
 
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Sea Ray said:
These sorts of things should not be negotiated at gunpoint in the midst of a gov't shutdown. The majority of Congress is against this spending. The minority should not be able to shutdown the gov't 'cause they got outvoted when the budget went through its normal legislative process in the BBB
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Genuine question - wasn't the BBB in fact an abnormal legislative process? My understanding is that Republicans didn't pass BBB priorities via regular funding because they didn't have the votes in the Senate to do it, so they passed it through reconciliation. Now, they want to pass a "clean" CR which they are only calling clean because they passed it over the summer. This is the last ounce of leverage the Democrats have to rescind what they don't like from the BBB.

Instead of focusing on clean appropriations this summer, Republicans devoted their time to BBB. They are as much to blame for the lack of a FY26 budget as the D's.

I still think the Democrats need to accept the CR and just move on to fight for whatever issues they care about...
 
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Willy P said:
Genuine question - wasn't the BBB in fact an abnormal legislative process? My understanding is that Republicans didn't pass BBB priorities via regular funding because they didn't have the votes in the Senate to do it, so they passed it through reconciliation. Now, they want to pass a "clean" CR which they are only calling clean because they passed it over the summer. This is the last ounce of leverage the Democrats have to rescind what they don't like from the BBB.

Instead of focusing on clean appropriations this summer, Republicans devoted their time to BBB. They are as much to blame for the lack of a FY26 budget as the D's.

I still think the Democrats need to accept the CR and just move on to fight for whatever issues they care about...
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The BBB was passed via reconciliation but that doesn't mean it's less valid. It followed our legislative rules. Obamacare was passed under reconciliation and it's still around. The BBB is the law of the land. It doesn't need a CR. The gov't staying open needs a CR.

Our Congress is so partisan and screwed up they can't pass much of anything with 60 votes so that leaves them with mechanisms like reconciliation...but even with that they're limited in what they can pass.
 
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midnight orange said:
Congress has one function: to extract wealth from taxpayers and give it to wealthy elite class. If they fail they get fired. The partisan wrangling is just performative. Congress, the President and Supreme Court are not the power centers, they are the hired help middle-managers.
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You are right on part one, but wrong on part two. They exist to give it to themselves.
 
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"This is an unprecedented thing that Senate Democrats are doing, trying to add policy programs into the new continuity of funding bill," Rep. Tom Kean, R-N.J., the most vulnerable Republican in the Garden State, also said.

Both Lawler and Rep. Dave Valadao, R-Calif., warned that giving up a policy rider-free spending bill in favor of inserting partisan demands would create an unworkable new standard.

"Holding the government office is never a good strategy. And if it becomes a successful way of negotiating … it’ll set a bad precedent for governing moving forward," Valadao said. "So this is an absolute no-go, should never be successful."
 
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