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#76
#76
EastTNVol6240 said:
Guess it depends on your thoughts of “mediocre”. For a university such as ours, I think 7-10 wins is mediocre. Not a bad season, and right where I think Heupel can come in every year. With the possibility of another W here and there.

But never truly competing for the goal- a championship. You see, Bernard, the reason we don’t see eye to eye and the reason we’d never get along, is because you’re okay with being a loser. You have low standards and that’s fine.

Im not mad at you because you don’t know any better. It takes all types to make this world go round.
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I suppose your inability to grasp the shatstorm he came into shouldn't be so bewildering to me. Your whole second paragraph cements my point about you. Stooping to calling someone a loser is comical
 
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#77
#77
EastTNVol6240 said:
And we both know you’re lying to yourself. To tell yourself there weren’t some players upset that we took the foot off the gas is silly. A confident coach lets his players go win the game. Heupel did everything but that during the second half. To think all of those players are morons and don’t see it is pretty arrogant of you.
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That you think I am insinuating the players are morons is the height of ignorance. Arrogant? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Again, your posts are indicative of your ignorance and entitled mindset. You have no idea how hard it is to win a NC or even play for one because you never completed at that level. It's one reason why those who have know better and don't have uninformed and emotional opinions about it.
 
#78
#78
EastTNVol6240 said:
Buddy, from that comment you must not have been around long. You must’ve caught fulmer in the few years past his prime. Did he overstay his welcome? 100%. But I suggest you take a look at UT football in the 90s. There was even this one year we won a natty in that era. Dislike the guy all you want, but Heupel definitely doesn’t have us on the “next” level when compared to fulmer.
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I don’t know why we have to keep revisiting TN failures for people who didn’t pay attention.. Anyway, Heupel has created his own team. Didn’t have to stab a TN legend in the back for it.

I was here for the 85 SEC champs and the 89 11-1, all the way to Fulmer’s final 10 years of underwhelming coaching. Even with Peyton Manning, the fool couldn’t score 20 against Memphis or stop a 3rd down against Florida.

The SEC was a backwards place when Fulmer was developing that waistline. He grew fat off the failures of other SEC coaches, but found himself out classed against the likes of Mark Richt, Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, and Steve Spurrier. Ever hear about how Al Wilson’s halftime speech in Atlanta saved Fulmer’s 97 squad from Terry Bowden’s Auburn? Bowden (Not Bobby) had as many undefeated seasons as Fulmer. Fulmer’s firing was a mercy killing and he was given 5 years too many.

Put that single national title right next to Gene Chizik’s and Les Miles’s for all the coaches who underperformed after inheriting teams full of “ready made Dynasty” talent.
 
#80
#80
adam.vol said:
I don’t know why we have to keep revisiting TN failures for people who didn’t pay attention.. Anyway, Heupel has created his own team. Didn’t have to stab a TN legend in the back for it.

I was here for the 85 SEC champs and the 89 11-1, all the way to Fulmer’s final 10 years of underwhelming coaching. Even with Peyton Manning, the fool couldn’t score 20 against Memphis or stop a 3rd down against Florida.

The SEC was a backwards place when Fulmer was developing that waistline. He grew fat off the failures of other SEC coaches, but found himself out classed against the likes of Mark Richt, Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, and Steve Spurrier. Ever hear about how Al Wilson’s halftime speech in Atlanta saved Fulmer’s 97 squad from Terry Bowden’s Auburn? Bowden (Not Bobby) had as many undefeated seasons as Fulmer. Fulmer’s firing was a mercy killing and he was given 5 years too many.

Put that single national title right next to Gene Chizik’s and Les Miles’s for all the coaches who underperformed after inheriting teams full of “ready made Dynasty” talent.
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It was a different landscape in college football, and he definitely overstayed his welcome. We can agree on that.

But to try and do everything you can to say he wasn’t a good coach is plain silly and goes against the facts. Great recruiter, 2 sec titles, I believe 7 east titles, a natty, sbd .750 win percentage. Along with a spot in the college football HOF. The results are the results no matter how you pick them apart.
 
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#81
#81
kptvol1 said:
Wasn’t it 2005 against UAB that we (number 2?) struggled and previewed that awful season?
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Yes. I was at that game. I think the final score was 17-10. It was a very typical Fulmer game against a team we should have been blowing out. He always had his slow tempo, trying to control the clock with very few snaps and possessions, really long drives, but sometimes just couldn’t punch it into the end zone. That era was so frustrating because we could never get our back-ups any experience. Teams that we should have been beating 59-10, we were beating 24-7.
 
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#82
#82
Played Matt Simms at qb most of the year, when Bray came in 2nd half vs uscjr I thought just maybe we will be ok. Once the shower etiquette happened I was done.
 
#83
#83
VolCalls said:
Mike told me to my face in 2005 “I firmly believe we’re going to win a national championship in the next 2-3 years.” Three years later he fired Fulmer.
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In 2005, we were preseason #3. We just came off a 2004 season where we exceeded expectations with a true freshman quarterback. Recruiting rankings for us were also really high the past few years. The future looked great. I think Fulmer got complacent and arrogant after 2004. He had no idea how good Urban Meyer would be, and he also had no clue Nick Saban would return to the SEC.
 
#86
#86
The_topis_Rocky89 said:
I’m going to have to give him a pass right now. I know ppl don’t want to hear it but missing an All American and solid #2 corner makes a difference
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Yes. It is making a huge difference. Truth is, if we had McCoy and Gibson healthy, we beat Georgia by 2 TDs.
 
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#87
#87
livefaith said:
You know it's really weird about Butch Jones. I remember watching him closely during the Cincinnati game at Neyland stadium before he became our coach. I've never seen the guy in my life, but as I watched him and watched his actions pregame and during the game, I thought this guy is a pretender if I've ever seen one. 😳 I should have went and played the lottery that day. I never forgot that weird feeling even when he was hired here. He landed some pretty sick recruiting classes that quelled suspicion. But, eventually the pretender was exposed.
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We didn’t hire Jones for Jones, we hired Kelly’s ghost.
 
#88
#88
VolCalls said:
With Fulmer, I went into every game feeling like we had a chance to win. While I like Heupel and he has us in a position we haven’t been in a long time, I don’t feel the same way.
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So how did you feel at the end of some of those games after watching a team full of future NFL players get blown off the field? The 1995, 1996 and 1997 Florida games come to mind. 1997 Orange Bowl too
 
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#90
#90
BernardKingGOAT said:
So how did you feel at the end of some of those games after watching a team full of future NFL players get blown off the field? The 1995, 1996 and 1997 Florida games come to mind. 1997 Orange Bowl too
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Disappointed and surprised. Still had hope and belief that we could win going into each of them.
 
#92
#92
VolCalls said:
Call it silly if you like. I’m waiting for us to prove we can win a big game on the road, which Fulmer did many many times.
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So sorry, but this isn't about Fulmer, but we did win some big games on the road during his tenure. We also lost some big games at home. Especially after 2000. So let's not forget about that fact about him as coach. Florida in 94,96, 2000, 03, 06 and 08. Georgia in 01 and 03. Miami in 02
 
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#93
#93
VolCalls said:
Disappointed and surprised. Still had hope and belief that we could win going into each of them.
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That's because we had a roster full of future NFL players. Heupel is building this roster with more additions of those types every year. This next class should get us close to that level. I don't think Fulmer could have taken over a team like Heupel did in 21 and won as quickly. Fulmer had no history of building it from the cellar
 
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#94
#94
adam.vol said:
I don’t know why we have to keep revisiting TN failures for people who didn’t pay attention.. Anyway, Heupel has created his own team. Didn’t have to stab a TN legend in the back for it.

I was here for the 85 SEC champs and the 89 11-1, all the way to Fulmer’s final 10 years of underwhelming coaching. Even with Peyton Manning, the fool couldn’t score 20 against Memphis or stop a 3rd down against Florida.

The SEC was a backwards place when Fulmer was developing that waistline. He grew fat off the failures of other SEC coaches, but found himself out classed against the likes of Mark Richt, Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, and Steve Spurrier. Ever hear about how Al Wilson’s halftime speech in Atlanta saved Fulmer’s 97 squad from Terry Bowden’s Auburn? Bowden (Not Bobby) had as many undefeated seasons as Fulmer. Fulmer’s firing was a mercy killing and he was given 5 years too many.

Put that single national title right next to Gene Chizik’s and Les Miles’s for all the coaches who underperformed after inheriting teams full of “ready made Dynasty” talent.
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"Stab him in the back"? So Fulmer was to tank those games he was interim and not be honest about wanting to be a head coach? That's all he did. The admin is who fired Majors because they didn't want Fulmer to leave. All Fulmer did was win games when given the opportunity and express his desire to be a head coach. If Tennessee didn't offer it, he would've gone elsewhere.
 
#95
#95
BernardKingGOAT said:
So sorry, but this isn't about Fulmer, but we did win some big games on the road during his tenure. We also lost some big games at home. Especially after 2000. So let's not forget about that fact about him as coach. Florida in 94,96, 2000, 03, 06 and 08. Georgia in 01 and 03. Miami in 02
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When I see a big road win from Heupel, games that Fulmer won many times, I’ll have that full-scale “we can beat anyone anytime anyplace” mindset. Until then, I’ll only have that belief for home games.
 
#98
#98
BernardKingGOAT said:
So sorry, but this isn't about Fulmer, but we did win some big games on the road during his tenure. We also lost some big games at home. Especially after 2000. So let's not forget about that fact about him as coach. Florida in 94,96, 2000, 03, 06 and 08. Georgia in 01 and 03. Miami in 02
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And that's before he became AD and ran around with a lit torch while spraying lighter fluid on Tennessee Football.
 
#100
#100
VolCalls said:
We were favored in all of those games. It's obvious we aren't going to agree on this so I'm not debating it any longer. Enjoy the rest of the season. GBO
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This. It's hard to compare the two given they walked into extremely different situations as head coach. Extreme opposite sides of the spectrum different
 
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