Charlie Kirk Shot and killed

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OrangeTsar said:
What part of „love the sinner but hate the sin“ escapes you?
Every time I even knowing tell a „white lie“ it is in a sense openly defying God. Thankfully He continues to love me, just like He loves transgenders. But that doesn’t mean He wants us to continue sinning.
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we are all wretched souls. every last one of us.
 
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05_never_again said:
No it isn't. If beyond any doubt was the burden of proof, then it would be phrased that way. People are convicted based on circumstantial evidence all the time that is beyond reasonable doubts, but not any doubt (no DNA or direct evidence).

Do you think there's any chance that Dylann Roof didn't commit the Charleston church shooting?
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Yes, people are regularly convicted on circumstantial evidence and people are (not as regularly) exonerated after years in prison. Imprisoning innocent people because the prosecution got it wrong or even worse falsifying or withholding evidence is terrible but fixable. Once a death penalty is carried out there is no fixing that. IMO executing an innocent is too big of a risk to take with our justice system.

No, I think Roof committed those murders but still don't believe he should be put to death.
 
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BeardedVol said:
His views on gay people and transgender people were widely known.



Attempting posthumous sanitization of his views doesn't really work given the sheer number of videos of him expressing them.
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Please stop with this nonsense. You could walk into just about any sermon across this country and hear a preacher/pastor echo the same thing Charlie is saying in this clip you posted. What is the BFD?
 
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itsme said:
There are many that go off to college as more conservative only to be mind screwed into hateful, murderous bigots.
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Name them.

Every university in Utah is a conservative university. My Dad went to the U a liberal and came out a conservative.
 
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This doesn’t add up in my head. I’m trying to make it make sense. A guy that had enough of a lack of conscience to steady himself and murder a man in front of thousands of people all the sudden develops so much of a conscience that he turns himself in?
 
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hog88 said:
Yes, people are regularly convicted on circumstantial evidence and people are (not as regularly) exonerated after years in prison. Imprisoning innocent people because the prosecution got it wrong or even worse falsifying or withholding evidence is terrible but fixable. Once a death penalty is carried out there is no fixing that. IMO executing an innocent is too big of a risk to take with our justice system.

No, I think Roof committed those murders but still don't believe he should be put to death.
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Fair enough, we'll agree to disagree. I think there would be very, very few people put to death if we had the standard I am describing, probably way fewer than there are today.
 
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dalton_vol said:
He is accurate it is an abomination against God. It's a mental illness that has been made normal by the secular left. I know its a truth the left hates to hear, but truth none the less
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Until God's existence can satisfactorily be proven (let alone proof of a clear edict about God's view on transgender people), I'll give this "truth" the due weight it deserves.
 
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MontyPython said:
Well if you think gay people should NOT be stoned to death, then yes, Kirk held extremist views.

Charlie Kirk, the founder of Turning Point USA, made a controversial statement in June 2024 during a discussion on his podcast or live event, where he referenced a Bible verse (Leviticus 20:13) to argue against LGBTQ+ acceptance. While criticizing a YouTuber for promoting "love your neighbor" in the context of Pride Month, Kirk quoted the verse and described it as "God's perfect law when it comes to sexual matters," effectively endorsing the biblical prescription of stoning for homosexual acts.

The approximate quote, as captured in video clips and widely reported, is: **"The Bible says if a man lays with a man, they should be stoned to death... That's God's perfect law."**

### Context and Explanation
- This occurred amid Kirk's broader critique of LGBTQ+ visibility, where he likened being gay to an "error" comparable to addiction, urging people to "get free from that."
- The statement drew immediate backlash for promoting violence, though Kirk framed it as a defense of biblical literalism rather than a direct call to action in modern society.
- Video evidence of the exchange has circulated widely on platforms like X (formerly Twitter) and YouTube, showing Kirk reading the verse aloud and affirming its moral authority.
- Posthumously, following Kirk's assassination on September 10, 2025, at Utah Valley University, this quote has been frequently cited in discussions of his legacy and the hypocrisy in mourning him while ignoring his anti-LGBTQ+ rhetoric.
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Ashevolle said:
That's a crime in any state
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You obviously missed several news stories of late. Do some searches for Planet fitness news. Or look up the story about the elderly lady banned from her local YNCA for complaining about a dude parading around in his birthday suit in the women’s locker room.
Heck, read about „Lia Thomas“ and the stories „her“ teammates tell
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
Please stop with this nonsense. You could walk into just about any sermon across this country and hear a preacher/pastor echo the same thing Charlie is saying in this clip you posted. What is the BFD?
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The point was somebody just said he was kind to trans people in his discourse so bearded is disproving that
 
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