Charlie Kirk Shot and killed

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swampfoxfan said:
The democrats support feeding the hungry,housing the homeless, healing the sick,loving your neighbor among other things. All things commanded by Jesus and fought against by republicans.
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They support staying in power, laundering money through NGOs that Pretend to do those things but never accomplish anything to solve the actual issues.
 
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The democrats support feeding the hungry,housing the homeless, healing the sick,loving your neighbor among other things. All things commanded by Jesus and fought against by republicans.
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That’s why every dim stronghold is a crime ridden s**thole filled with druggies, criminals, illegals, and homelessness. God believes in borders and laws and Jesus can’t help people who don’t want to help themselves and neither can the taxpayers.
 
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swampfoxfan said:
The democrats support feeding the hungry,housing the homeless, healing the sick,loving your neighbor among other things. All things commanded by Jesus and fought against by republicans.
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And all to be paid for with "other peoples money". Thats the Dimwit motto.

They also vehemently and publicly support:

Drive thru abortions (murder)
"Trans" nonsense. (Mutilation of kids)
And lots of other things God clearly is 100% against. There is no way to be a Christian and intellectually honest and vote Democrat. The Democrats are OPENLY anti-God and have been the party having Him and His Word removed from schools, government buildings, and anywhere else they are able. For you to even insinuate that the Democrat party is the party for moral Christians to vote for is absolutely insane. This thread isn't the place for it either. It has absolutely nothing to do with the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
 
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The democrats support feeding the hungry,housing the homeless, healing the sick,loving your neighbor among other things. All things commanded by Jesus and fought against by republicans.
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If that was true, why does your party actively support illegal immigration? The only party putting America first would be the Republican party, because we realize that it's difficult to "feed the hungry", "house the homeless", and "heal the sick"...when we have millions of people flooding the system. You have to start in your own community first before you start trying to change the world. Seems counterproductive.
 
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KB5252 said:
To clarify my position further.....

If it were just some random transgender person who felt attached personally and was mentally unhinged then it would be personal.

If it were a trans activist who targeted him for his views on transgender people then it would be political.

There is a difference and there is a distinction. As I've stated multiple times now I think it most likely political due to his profile but until we have a shooter identified no one can say with certainty what the motive was.
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If it’s not political, then what is it? Someone holding a grudge from high school?
 
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That’s why every dim stronghold is a crime ridden s**thole filled with druggies, criminals, illegals, and homelessness. God believes in borders and laws and Jesus can’t help people who don’t want to help themselves and neither can the taxpayers.
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Jesus helped a lot of people till he got deported by ice.
 
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People are f’ing sick in the head. This is what happen when you cause politics to become so polarizing and demonize anyone that disagrees with you
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"Trump praised Kirk, who he has credited for helping him win the 2024 election, for his conservative activism and commitment to open debate. He then said what happened to Kirk is a consequence of people demonizing those they disagree with "in the most hateful and despicable way possible," and turned his ire to the political left."

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Here is a list of notable quotes from Donald Trump where he demonized people he disagreed with, such as political opponents, media figures, critics, or groups. I've focused on direct quotes that involve strong derogatory language, threats, or dehumanization, drawn from various documented statements and tweets. These are organized by target category for clarity, with selected examples (not exhaustive, as there are hundreds).

### Political Opponents and Rivals
- On left-leaning political opponents: "We will root out the communists, Marxists, fascists and the radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country."
- On Democrats and internal critics: "We have the outside enemy, and then we have the enemy from within. And the enemy from within, in my opinion, is more dangerous than China, Russia, and all those countries."
- On his opponents in general: "They are so bad and frankly, they’re evil. What they’ve done, they’ve weaponized our elections. They’ve done things that nobody thought was even possible."
- On Hillary Clinton: "Crooked Hillary Clinton is the worst Secretary of State in the history of the United States!"
- On Joe Biden: "Sleepy Joe Biden is the worst presidential candidate in the history of our country, and that's saying a lot!"
- On Nancy Pelosi: "Crazy Nancy Pelosi, who has lost all control of Congress, is the least effective Speaker of the House in the history of our Country!"
- On Adam Schiff: "Shifty Schiff, the do nothing, do little Congressman from California, is one of the biggest liars and leakers in Washington!"
- On Maxine Waters: "Crazy Maxine Waters, said by some to be one of the most corrupt people in politics, is rapidly becoming an out-of-control psycho!"
- On Elizabeth Warren: "Pocahontas is at it again! Goofy Elizabeth Warren, one of the least productive U.S. Senators, has a history of dividing people and communities."
- On John McCain: "He is not a war hero... I like people that weren’t captured, OK? I hate to tell you."

### Media and Journalists
- On CNN: "CNN is the enemy of the people, the fake news network that spreads lies and propaganda!"
- On The New York Times: "The Failing New York Times, which has been losing money for years, is a disgrace to journalism!"
- On MSNBC: "MSNBC is Fake News, and their ratings are way down. They are a disgrace to the media!"
- On Megyn Kelly: "You could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever."

### Groups and Minorities
- On Mexicans/Mexican immigrants: "They’re rapists... some, I assume, are good people."
- On Muslims: "A total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country’s representatives can figure out what is going on."
- On African Americans: "Laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that."
- On Iowans (voters he disagreed with): "How stupid are the people of Iowa? How stupid are the people of the country to believe this crap?"

These examples highlight patterns in Trump's rhetoric, often involving name-calling, dehumanization, or accusations of corruption/evil. For a more exhaustive compilation, sources like the New York Times' full Twitter insult archive provide over 10,000 entries.
 
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dalton_vol said:
I'm surprised it doesn't happen more, the Democrats have been calling for violence over the past 6 to 8 years.
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Below is a list of quotes attributed to Donald Trump where he has been interpreted as calling for or inciting violence, based on documented statements from speeches, interviews, rallies, and posts on platforms like X. These quotes are selected for their explicit or implicit encouragement of violent actions against individuals, groups, or institutions he opposed. Context is provided where necessary to clarify the target or situation. The list is not exhaustive but focuses on notable examples from reliable sources.

### Quotes Calling for or Implying Violence
1. **On Protesters at Rallies (March 2016, St. Louis, MO):**
- "You know, part of the problem and part of the reason it takes so long is nobody wants to hurt each other anymore, right? And they’re being politically correct the way they take them out. So it takes a little bit longer... If you do [hurt them], I’ll defend you in court, don’t worry about it."
- *Context*: Spoken at a campaign rally, encouraging supporters to physically confront protesters, with a promise of legal protection.

2. **On Hillary Clinton and the Second Amendment (August 9, 2016, Wilmington, NC):**
- "If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is, I don’t know."
- *Context*: Interpreted by critics as suggesting that gun owners could take action against Hillary Clinton or her judicial appointees, though Trump’s campaign claimed it was about political mobilization.

3. **On Protesters at a Rally (February 2016, Cedar Rapids, IA):**
- "So if you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously. OK? Just knock the hell — I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees. I promise. I promise."
- *Context*: Encouraging physical violence against protesters at a campaign event, with an offer to cover legal consequences.

4. **On the January 6, 2021, Capitol Riot (January 6, 2021, Washington, DC):**
- "We fight like hell. And if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore."
- *Context*: Spoken at a rally before the Capitol riot, interpreted by many as inciting the crowd to take aggressive action, though Trump later claimed he meant it metaphorically.

5. **On Protesters (March 2016, Fayetteville, NC):**
- "Try not to hurt him. If you do, I’ll defend you in court, don’t worry about it... Get him out."
- *Context*: Directed at supporters regarding a protester at a rally, again promising legal support for violent actions.

6. **On Looters During Protests (May 29, 2020, Tweet):**
- "These THUGS are dishonoring the memory of George Floyd, and I won’t let that happen. Just spoke to Governor Tim Walz and told him that the Military is with him all the way. Any difficulty and we will assume control but, when the looting starts, the shooting starts. Thank you!"
- *Context*: Posted during the George Floyd protests, the phrase “when the looting starts, the shooting starts” was widely criticized as a call for violent crackdowns on protesters.

7. **On the Media (October 25, 2018, Tweet):**
- "A very big part of the Anger we see today in our society is caused by the purposely false and inaccurate reporting of the Mainstream Media that I refer to as Fake News. It has gotten so bad and hateful that it is beyond description. Mainstream Media must clean up its act, FAST!"
- *Context*: While not explicitly calling for violence, this was cited in discussions of incitement, as it followed bomb threats against media outlets and was seen as inflaming hostility toward journalists.

8. **On Immigrants and Border Security (October 2018, Rally in Texas):**
- "I think anybody that comes across the border illegally, you gotta send them back. And you gotta send them back with strength. You gotta show strength."
- *Context*: Spoken during a discussion about border policies, interpreted by some as advocating forceful, potentially violent measures against migrants.

9. **On Political Opponents (October 2023, Truth Social Post):**
- "Why isn’t the DOJ or FBI going after the Radical Left Criminals who are destroying our Country? If they don’t act quickly, it could lead to violence from the Patriots who love America!"
- *Context*: Suggesting that inaction against his political adversaries could lead to violence from his supporters, framed as “Patriots.”

10. **On Election Integrity and Opponents (September 2020, Interview):**
- "We’ll see what happens. You know that I’ve been complaining very strongly about the ballots. And the ballots are a disaster... We want to find out what’s going on, and we’ll see what happens. Get rid of the ballots and you’ll have a very peaceful — there won’t be a transfer, frankly. There’ll be a continuation."
- *Context*: Discussing mail-in ballots, interpreted as a refusal to accept election results and a potential call for supporters to resist, which some linked to later unrest.
 
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dalton_vol said:
Okay, tell me when a conservative shot a liberal speaker, speaking at an event?
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Vol737 said:
Well then, you’re gonna have to jog my memory. When’s the last time someone has attempted assinations on a Dem President, Dem/left political commentators/influencers/media personalities or a slew of democratic congressmen at a baseball game? Because this **** has happened multiple times over a few short years at the hands of sick f*** lefties.
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### Historical Examples of Conservatives Shooting Liberal Speakers at Events

Based on documented cases of political violence in U.S. history, below is a list of instances where individuals with conservative or right-wing ideologies shot liberal or left-leaning speakers or politicians during public events, speeches, or meetings. These are drawn from verified historical records and focus on assassinations or attempts that occurred while the target was engaging in public discourse (e.g., rallies, town halls, or speeches). Note that "conservative" here refers to the perpetrator's stated or evident motivations, such as opposition to civil rights, progressive reforms, or left-wing policies. The list is not exhaustive but highlights notable cases.

| Perpetrator | Ideology/Motivation | Target | Event Details | Outcome |
|-------------|---------------------|--------|---------------|---------|
| **John Wilkes Booth** | Confederate sympathizer and white supremacist; opposed Lincoln's policies on abolition and Reconstruction. | **Abraham Lincoln** (Republican president, seen as liberal for his anti-slavery stance). | Shot Lincoln during a speech at Ford's Theatre in Washington, D.C., on April 14, 1865. | Lincoln died the next day; Booth fled and was killed. |

| **Charles J. Guiteau** | Disaffected office-seeker with conservative religious and anti-reform views; believed Garfield's administration betrayed Stalwart Republicans (a conservative faction). | **James A. Garfield** (Republican president, moderate progressive on civil service reform). | Shot Garfield at a Washington, D.C., train station after a public event on July 2, 1881. | Garfield died two months later from infection; Guiteau was executed. |

| **Leon Czolgosz** | Anarchist with right-wing populist leanings against industrialization and immigrant labor (influenced by conservative anti-elite sentiments). | **William McKinley** (Republican president, pro-business conservative, but targeted for perceived liberal economic policies favoring workers). | Shot McKinley during a public reception at the Pan-American Exposition in Buffalo, NY, on September 6, 1901. | McKinley died eight days later; Czolgosz was executed. |

| **Giuseppe Zangara** | Italian immigrant with anti-immigrant, conservative economic grievances; hated Roosevelt's progressive New Deal ideas. | **Franklin D. Roosevelt** (Democratic president, liberal icon of the New Deal). | Fired at Roosevelt during a public speech from an open car in Miami, FL, on February 15, 1933. | Missed Roosevelt but killed Chicago Mayor Anton Cermak; Zangara was executed. |
| **James Earl Ray** | Segregationist and white supremacist (right-wing racist ideology); opposed King's civil rights activism. | **Martin Luther King Jr.** (Civil rights leader and liberal activist). | Shot King while he was on the balcony after a public event (speech preparation) at the Lorraine Motel in Memphis, TN, on April 4, 1968. | King died shortly after; Ray pleaded guilty and died in prison. |

| **Sirhan Sirhan** | Palestinian nationalist with conservative anti-Zionist views; opposed Kennedy's support for Israel. | **Robert F. Kennedy** (Democratic senator and presidential candidate, liberal on civil rights and social issues). | Shot Kennedy immediately after a campaign speech at the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles, CA, on June 5, 1968. | Kennedy died the next day; Sirhan is serving life in prison. |

| **Byron de la Beckwith** | White supremacist and KKK member (extreme right-wing ideology); targeted civil rights leaders. | **Medgar Evers** (NAACP field secretary, liberal civil rights activist). | Shot Evers in the driveway after he returned from a public integration rally in Jackson, MS, on June 12, 1963. | Evers died; Beckwith was convicted in 1994 and died in prison. |

### Notes
- **Context and Patterns**: These incidents often stemmed from opposition to progressive reforms like civil rights, economic populism, or social equality. Right-wing violence has historically targeted left-leaning figures perceived as threats to traditional hierarchies. Recent data (e.g., 2022-2024) shows right-wing extremists responsible for all 61 political killings in the U.S. during that period.
- **Exclusions**: Cases like the 2011 shooting of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (by Jared Loughner, ideologically incoherent) or the 2022 attack on Paul Pelosi (by David DePape, right-wing conspiracist but not during a speaking event) were omitted as they don't precisely match "shooting a liberal speaker at an event."
- **Broader Trends**: Political violence is bipartisan but asymmetric; left-wing acts are less lethal and more property-focused, while right-wing acts often target individuals. For more on global or non-U.S. cases, see resources like the Wikipedia list of assassinations.

If you'd like expansions on any case, related attempts, or a focus on a specific era, let me know!
 
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Glitch said:
Yeah. Seeing some of the videos that were very close to where he was sitting, it will be a miracle if he survives.

I know we joke a lot on here, but you are all welcome to your opinions and views. We can all disagree and even get our underpants twisted up from time to time but still come back together and cheer for the same team. No disagreement is worth harming another person physically and certainly not worth taking a life over. Prayers for Charlie and his family.
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Amen.

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swampfoxfan said:
The democrats support feeding the hungry,housing the homeless, healing the sick,loving your neighbor among other things. All things commanded by Jesus and fought against by republicans.
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Oh I support all those things. I believe that the homeless need to be housed and fed in drug rehabilitation centers or involuntarily committed into mental health facilities (which ever ailment they have). That way they can truly get the care they need and heal, a helping hand from a neighbor. That would be true care, and Jesus would want us to do this to help our less fortunate brethren...even if those brethren have been their own worst enemies. Democrats have sure done a bang up job in their fantastically ran cities of truly helping these individuals! Let them continue to be shining examples for all!
 
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MontyPython said:
### Historical Examples of Conservatives Shooting Liberal Speakers at Events

Based on documented cases of political violence in U.S. history, below is a list of instances where individuals with conservative or right-wing ideologies shot liberal or left-leaning speakers or politicians during public events, speeches, or meetings. These are drawn from verified historical records and focus on assassinations or attempts that occurred while the target was engaging in public discourse (e.g., rallies, town halls, or speeches). Note that "conservative" here refers to the perpetrator's stated or evident motivations, such as opposition to civil rights, progressive reforms, or left-wing policies. The list is not exhaustive but highlights notable cases.

| Perpetrator | Ideology/Motivation | Target | Event Details | Outcome |
|-------------|---------------------|--------|---------------|---------|
| **John Wilkes Booth** | Confederate sympathizer and white supremacist; opposed Lincoln's policies on abolition and Reconstruction. | **Abraham Lincoln** (Republican president, seen as liberal for his anti-slavery stance). | Shot Lincoln during a speech at Ford's Theatre in Washington, D.C., on April 14, 1865. | Lincoln died the next day; Booth fled and was killed. |

| **Charles J. Guiteau** | Disaffected office-seeker with conservative religious and anti-reform views; believed Garfield's administration betrayed Stalwart Republicans (a conservative faction). | **James A. Garfield** (Republican president, moderate progressive on civil service reform). | Shot Garfield at a Washington, D.C., train station after a public event on July 2, 1881. | Garfield died two months later from infection; Guiteau was executed. |

| **Leon Czolgosz** | Anarchist with right-wing populist leanings against industrialization and immigrant labor (influenced by conservative anti-elite sentiments). | **William McKinley** (Republican president, pro-business conservative, but targeted for perceived liberal economic policies favoring workers). | Shot McKinley during a public reception at the Pan-American Exposition in Buffalo, NY, on September 6, 1901. | McKinley died eight days later; Czolgosz was executed. |

| **Giuseppe Zangara** | Italian immigrant with anti-immigrant, conservative economic grievances; hated Roosevelt's progressive New Deal ideas. | **Franklin D. Roosevelt** (Democratic president, liberal icon of the New Deal). | Fired at Roosevelt during a public speech from an open car in Miami, FL, on February 15, 1933. | Missed Roosevelt but killed Chicago Mayor Anton Cermak; Zangara was executed. |
| **James Earl Ray** | Segregationist and white supremacist (right-wing racist ideology); opposed King's civil rights activism. | **Martin Luther King Jr.** (Civil rights leader and liberal activist). | Shot King while he was on the balcony after a public event (speech preparation) at the Lorraine Motel in Memphis, TN, on April 4, 1968. | King died shortly after; Ray pleaded guilty and died in prison. |

| **Sirhan Sirhan** | Palestinian nationalist with conservative anti-Zionist views; opposed Kennedy's support for Israel. | **Robert F. Kennedy** (Democratic senator and presidential candidate, liberal on civil rights and social issues). | Shot Kennedy immediately after a campaign speech at the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles, CA, on June 5, 1968. | Kennedy died the next day; Sirhan is serving life in prison. |

| **Byron de la Beckwith** | White supremacist and KKK member (extreme right-wing ideology); targeted civil rights leaders. | **Medgar Evers** (NAACP field secretary, liberal civil rights activist). | Shot Evers in the driveway after he returned from a public integration rally in Jackson, MS, on June 12, 1963. | Evers died; Beckwith was convicted in 1994 and died in prison. |

### Notes
- **Context and Patterns**: These incidents often stemmed from opposition to progressive reforms like civil rights, economic populism, or social equality. Right-wing violence has historically targeted left-leaning figures perceived as threats to traditional hierarchies. Recent data (e.g., 2022-2024) shows right-wing extremists responsible for all 61 political killings in the U.S. during that period.
- **Exclusions**: Cases like the 2011 shooting of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (by Jared Loughner, ideologically incoherent) or the 2022 attack on Paul Pelosi (by David DePape, right-wing conspiracist but not during a speaking event) were omitted as they don't precisely match "shooting a liberal speaker at an event."
- **Broader Trends**: Political violence is bipartisan but asymmetric; left-wing acts are less lethal and more property-focused, while right-wing acts often target individuals. For more on global or non-U.S. cases, see resources like the Wikipedia list of assassinations.

If you'd like expansions on any case, related attempts, or a focus on a specific era, let me know!
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Way to completely miss the point!

Right on left, left on right, whatever? It doesn’t matter.

The bottom line here is that a young father has been stupidly murdered leaving behind a young wife and two very young children. And for what? Because some nut job disagreed with him.

And you are part of the problem. You have allowed yourself to be dragged around by a hook in your nose and actually take the time to type this absurdly long post implicitly defending the murder.

There is no “hate speech” or other garbage that your ilk tries to manufacture with Charlie Kirk’s message. And on the trans issue. If you look at the polling, my interpretation shows that most Americans have no problem with people being whatever they choose to be without persecution. But when those people demand rights to infringe on other people’s spaces like girl’s sports? Most Americans apply common sense and disagree because there is a huge physical advantage for those born male. That is not “hate speech” despite the ridiculous narratives the losing side tries to build around it. It is simply reality as a great portion of this country sees it.

Trans people should have equal rights…but they should not have GREATER rights.

There is no defense to this murder. Period. Charlie Kirk did nothing but rally people with his political beliefs. If a person disagreed with him? The appropriate response was to hold their own rallies to try to sway the majority to their side. They have the same constitutional rights to do this. That is how the USA is supposed to work.

The cowardly response is to shoot and kill someone from a distance like this loser.

There is no defense. So stop embarrassing yourself.
 
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evillawyer said:
"Demonic forces from the gates of hell." Of course he uses "they." Now maybe he just means bad guys, but you and I both know he means Dems or the left or some other term for those with liberal views.
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Ah, the old “he didn’t say it but we all know what he meant” schtick. You, LG and others in the PF have been applying that same “logic” to Trump and others on the right for years and it’s pretty hilarious.
 
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Way to completely miss the point!

Right on left, left on right, whatever? It doesn’t matter.

The bottom line here is that a young father has been stupidly murdered leaving behind a young wife and two very young children. And for what? Because some nut job disagreed with him.

And you are part of the problem. You have allowed yourself to be dragged around by a hook in your nose and actually take the time to type this absurdly long post implicitly defending the murder.

There is no “hate speech” or other garbage that your ilk tries to manufacture with Charlie Kirk’s message. And on the trans issue. If you look at the polling, my interpretation shows that most Americans have no problem with people being whatever they choose to be without persecution. But when those people demand rights to infringe on other people’s spaces like girl’s sports? Most Americans apply common sense and disagree because there is a huge physical advantage for those born male. That is not “hate speech” despite the ridiculous narratives the losing side tries to build around it. It is simply reality as a great portion of this country sees it.

Trans people should have equal rights…but they should not have GREATER rights.

There is no defense to this murder. Period. Charlie Kirk did nothing but rally people with his political beliefs. If a person disagreed with him? The appropriate response was to hold their own rallies to try to sway the majority to their side. They have the same constitutional rights to do this. That is how the USA is supposed to work.

The cowardly response is to shoot and kill someone from a distance like this loser.

There is no defense. So stop embarrassing yourself.
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Seems you failed to read my post.

A question was asked and I answered it.

You're welcome to disagree with what I cut and pasted from Grok.com, but isn't my "free speech" precisely what you so eagerly defend? LOL. Honestly, I could care less about your silly self-righteousness.
 
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