The Deportation of Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia

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volbound1700 said:
I am sorry but how can he get deported to Uganda? I can understand sending him back to his home country, El Salvador, but Uganda? If Trump is that desperate to get this guy out of the country, all he needs to do is have El Salvador make an official request for his extraditing. There is nothing a USA court could do about that as he is a citizen of El Salvador and by treaty we would have to return him.
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Why not? If Uganda would take him, that would be acceptable under the original deportation order. I am not aware of any pending criminal El Salvador process as to him.

Thousands of illegals are ejected out of the county a day, and I just don't see anything special here but apparently wife beaters are special.
 
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volbound1700 said:
I am sorry but how can he get deported to Uganda? I can understand sending him back to his home country, El Salvador, but Uganda? If Trump is that desperate to get this guy out of the country, all he needs to do is have El Salvador make an official request for his extraditing. There is nothing a USA court could do about that as he is a citizen of El Salvador and by treaty we would have to return him.
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It's my understanding that a judge here said that he cannot be sent back to El Salvador because of impending danger but didn't rule out deporting him to other countries. So the Trump administration is complying with the court order by not sending him back to his home country now
 
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Sea Ray said:
It's my understanding that a judge here said that he cannot be sent back to El Salvador because of impending danger but didn't rule out deporting him to other countries. So the Trump administration is complying with the court order by not sending him back to his home country now
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As stated, if El Salvador asks for him back, that judge nor anyone in this nation can do a thing about it. He is their citizen.
 
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volbound1700 said:
As stated, if El Salvador asks for him back, that judge nor anyone in this nation can do a thing about it. He is their citizen.
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I don't think that is correct. These folks are claiming asylum. In other words they're claiming that their home country's gov't will kill them if they return. Let's use Nazi Germany as an example. If Hitler asked us to return Jews (such as Einstein), of course we wouldn't have to do it
 
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Sea Ray said:
I don't think that is correct. These folks are claiming asylum. In other words they're claiming that their home country's gov't will kill them if they return. Let's use Nazi Germany as an example. If Hitler asked us to return Jews (such as Einstein), of course we wouldn't have to do it
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There is no record of him claiming asylum and the USA only grants asylum to nations that are hostile. For example, the family that left Germany for being prosecuted for home schooling was rejected by USA under asylum rules because we did not view the German government as a hostile actor at that time.

There is no evidence, in the USA, of El Salvador being a hostile actor or a government that violates basic human rights.
 
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volbound1700 said:
There is no record of him claiming asylum and the USA only grants asylum to nations that are hostile. For example, the family that left Germany for being prosecuted for home schooling was rejected by USA under asylum rules because we did not view the German government as a hostile actor at that time.

There is no evidence, in the USA, of El Salvador being a hostile actor or a government that violates basic human rights.
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He claimed asylum but it was denied as he would have had to claim asylum in the first country he entered. Either way, the original deportation order is valid and as long as he is not returned to El Salvador he can be deported. What you are suggesting is El Salvador is asking for him back but unless there is criminal process than how are they asking for him back?

Not sure what the purpose of all this is, just get him out of the country i.e. the original deportation order from 2019.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
He claimed asylum but it was denied as he would have had to claim asylum in the first country he entered. Either way, the original deportation order is valid and as long as he is not returned to El Salvador he can be deported. What you are suggesting is El Salvador is asking for him back but unless there is criminal process than how are they asking for him back?

Not sure what the purpose of all this is, just get him out of the country i.e. the original deportation order from 2019.
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Yes, he was banned from being sent back to El Savador. There were no conditions such as "if El Sa asked for him." We cannot send him there but we can send him to other countries
 
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volbound1700 said:
I am sorry but how can he get deported to Uganda? I can understand sending him back to his home country, El Salvador, but Uganda? If Trump is that desperate to get this guy out of the country, all he needs to do is have El Salvador make an official request for his extraditing. There is nothing a USA court could do about that as he is a citizen of El Salvador and by treaty we would have to return him.
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Wasn't it him begging not to be sent back to his home country? If we can't send him home, and we can't send him to any other country then, once an illegal gets in there is nowhere to send them so we have to keep them here?

He made his own bed. If he wants to stand down from the "Please don't send me home where the gangs might get me" stance, fine. Send him home. Otherwise, he gets sent to the folks that will take him. He doesn't get to sneak in and paint our immigration laws into the corner of "Well, I guess he has to stay here."
 
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ICE Arrests Abrego Garcia at Maryland Check-In, lawyer says​


Emergency habeas petition filed in Maryland federal court to block deportation proceedings​


BALTIMORE, Md. – Salvadorian migrant Kilmar Abrego Garcia was arrested by Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials Monday morning after he arrived for check-in at the agency's field office in Baltimore, Maryland, where officials plan to begin removal proceedings to deport him again to a third country, such as Uganda.

Speaking to reporters outside the ICE Field Office in Baltimore after Abrego Garcia was detained, his lawyer, Simon Sandoval-Moshenberg, said ICE officials had declined to tell them where they were detaining Abrego Garcia prior to his removal, or tell them why they were arresting him. They also did not give his lawyers any paperwork detailing his removal.

His attorneys filed the habeas petition in the U.S. District Court of Maryland. It was assigned to U.S. District Judge Paula Xinis, who since March has presided over a civil case challenging his deportation to El Salvador.

Xinis issued an order last month that sought to block ICE from immediately arresting Abrego Garcia.

News of his detention is likely to be scrutinized closely by the judge, who has spent months grilling Trump officials for details over his removal and his current legal status.

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ICE arrests Abrego Garcia at Maryland check-in, lawyer says

A federal judge has previously blocked Abrego Garcia deportation as Trump officials plan a second removal, this time to East African nation Uganda.
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MontyPython said:
Oh please. Trump's wife is an immigrant. My mom was an immigrant.

This country was built on the backs of immigrants.

Are your children and grandchildren ready to pick fruit all day in the fields of California? Slaughter beef all day in Oklahoma?
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The First Lady is a Legal immigrant there is a difference.

My family on all sides have been here since before the Revolution, I grew up and live on a farm the way my family has done for generations. We raise beef cattle. So sure... I've seen as a kid first hand where the phrase running around like a 🐔 with it's head cut off came from.
 
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MontyPython said:
Oh please. Trump's wife is an immigrant. My mom was an immigrant.

This country was built on the backs of immigrants.

Are your children and grandchildren ready to pick fruit all day in the fields of California? Slaughter beef all day in Oklahoma?
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I feel you’re coming to terms on how this is going to end.
 
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volbound1700 said:
I am sorry but how can he get deported to Uganda? I can understand sending him back to his home country, El Salvador, but Uganda? If Trump is that desperate to get this guy out of the country, all he needs to do is have El Salvador make an official request for his extraditing. There is nothing a USA court could do about that as he is a citizen of El Salvador and by treaty we would have to return him.
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That was already tried and one of the looney district judges made them recall him to the U.S. since he had previously been granted the condition of not being deported back to El Salvador. Now he has to go anywhere else with which we have an agreement to accept deportees
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Why not? If Uganda would take him, that would be acceptable under the original deportation order. I am not aware of any pending criminal El Salvador process as to him.

Thousands of illegals are ejected out of the county a day, and I just don't see anything special here but apparently wife beaters are special.
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Ugandan Man doesn’t move the needle.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
That was already tried and one of the looney district judges made them recall him to the U.S. since he had previously been granted the condition of not being deported back to El Salvador. Now he has to go anywhere else with which we have an agreement to accept deportees
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El Salvador never requested him officially from what I understand.
 
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volbound1700 said:
El Salvador never requested him officially from what I understand.
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Because he isn't under criminal prosecution there. They will accept him, but that is whole other thing because the original deportation order says he can't be deported to El Salvador. So, they are just deporting him to another country.
 
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volbound1700 said:
El Salvador never requested him officially from what I understand.
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Even if they had; technically we still couldn’t. Not saying that is right; just that is what almost any judge would have upheld.
The real takeaway is that, if any illegal immigrant wishes to maintain any control over their life and location; it is best to accept the $1000 and self deport before someone else makes the decision for you
 
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Trump says Kilmar Abrego Garcia 'needs to be in prison': Live Updates

As I said, probably wasn't the end of this. It would seem like this is pretty simple at this point, they have a valid deportation order. Just me, but I would want to be out of the country before the trial date in Tennessee and go to a country without an extradition treaty. Just send him to the North Pole. 🧊
 
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C-south said:
It’s only a matter of time.
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One would think... but a lot of normal judges don't like Trump's ongoing efforts to usurp their power. It would not surprise me to see the judge in this case throw out all charges and prevent or delay deportation.
 
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