The Deportation of Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia

[LSU-SIU]

I gather you're educated but I think you're unfamiliar with a few basic legal tenants here in the United States.

The first is habeas corpus. This is a fundamental legal right and court order that protects individuals from unlawful imprisonment, requiring the government to present a prisoner and justify the detention before a judge. This right of Garcia was violated by DHS. If you don't like that Garcia is afforded the writ of habeas corpus, then you similarly have no objections to you, personally, being arrested and imprisoned in the future without any cause, right to a hearing or legal process.

The second is due process. This is a course of formal proceedings (as judicial proceedings) carried out regularly, fairly, and in accordance with established rules and principles. Garcia's right to due process was violated in multiple ways including his deportation to El Salvador despite a court order prohibiting this, illegal detention, vindictive prosecution, and now coercion.

The third is the fifth amendment. The Fifth Amendment guarantees due process for all persons in the U.S., including undocumented immigrants. Your suggestion that Garcia has no rights to due process, therefore, is simply wrong.

Look, I understand that you *think* that guys like Garcia are guilty until proven innocent and should be instantaneously deported, but that's not how the legal system works. Trump and his goons have played loose and fast with the law to fulfill his campaign promises, but the judicial branch is catching up with him and holding that many of his actions have violated the law. Not only with Garcia, but also with all the folks Trump illegally deported to El Salvador and Venezuela.

Again, you may not like it, but persons residing here in the US have basic legal rights... and for good reason.

@lawgator1 is far more versed than I am on legal subjects, and may have more to add or opine.

None of that has anything to do with the case at this point. He was brought back to the U.S. and is facing charges in Tennessee, as far as his deportation that can be carried out via the deportation order from 2019. He has had basic rights, the only question has been where to send him at most.

Jawtator has no idea what he is rambling about, let alone law.

Not sure what you are rambling about, it would appear he is being deported via the original deportation order. His criminal charges are pending as well.

Look, I understand that you *think* that guys like Garcia are guilty until proven innocent and should be instantaneously deported, but that's not how the legal system works.

According to the case file, which I have reviewed, his deportation order is from 2019. He has already been found in violation of law over a half decade ago. He wasn't instantly deported, his deportation order is from 2019. That is the problem, he has been here way too long. There might be more too this, but I don't know what it would be and you haven't shed any light on it.

 

[MontyPython]

Party of terrorism.

While registered Independents like me do enjoy terrorizing some of the dimwit MAGA nutballs here on the PF, characterizing us Independents as the "party of terrorism" seems like a stretch. Perhaps you'd like the government to arrest me too?

 

[Majors]

While registered Independents like me do enjoy terrorizing some of the dimwit MAGA nutballs here on the PF, characterizing the Independents as the "party of terrorism" seems like a stretch. Perhaps you'd like the government to arrest me too?

Is it? You’re excited for the release of an illegal who beat his wife.

 

[MontyPython]

Same wife who had an order of protection against him? Bet she’s stoked about getting her face punched again. Weird flex you have for domestic violence.

Yes, all males who've been in a physical alteration with their wife / girlfriend / significant other are the cause of said fight and thus are guilty until proven innocent. Thank you for clarifying that point of law.

Also, FWIW, they worked through that incident and now she wants Garcia back.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Yes, all males who've been in a physical alteration with their wife / girlfriend / significant other are the cause of said fight and thus are guilty until proven innocent. Thank you for clarifying that point of law.

Also, FWIW, they worked through that incident and now she wants Garcia back.

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He has already been found to be in violation of U.S. law and nobody is disputing that he is an illegal alien. He has a valid deportation order.

Whether he committed additional crimes at this point doesn't seem too material to his ejection.

 

[LSU-SIU]

While registered Independents like me do enjoy terrorizing some of the dimwit MAGA nutballs here on the PF, characterizing us Independents as the "party of terrorism" seems like a stretch. Perhaps you'd like the government to arrest me too?

Another Independent voter like Jawtator.

 

[Majors]

Yes, all males who've been in a physical alteration with their wife / girlfriend / significant other are the cause of said fight and thus are guilty until proven innocent. Thank you for clarifying that point of law.

Also, FWIW, they worked through that incident and now she wants Garcia back.

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In summary, she deserved that fist to the face. - MontyP

 

[MontyPython]

In summary, she deserved that fist to the face. - MontyP

Reality: In statements issued in April and May 2025, Vasquez Sura explained that she filed the orders "out of caution following a disagreement," influenced by her experience surviving domestic violence in a previous relationship. She chose not to pursue the cases further, and the couple reconciled through private counseling, strengthening their marriage. She attributed the tensions to external factors like Garcia's trauma from ICE detention, the COVID-19 pandemic, and family stresses. Vasquez Sura has criticized the public release of these private matters as "weaponized" to justify Garcia's deportation, emphasizing, "No one is perfect, and no marriage is perfect." She continues to advocate for his rights and return to the family.

"I know more about what goes on in Abrego Garcia's bedroom than his wife."
-@Majors

 

[Majors]

Reality: In statements issued in April and May 2025, Vasquez Sura explained that she filed the orders "out of caution following a disagreement," influenced by her experience surviving domestic violence in a previous relationship. She chose not to pursue the cases further, and the couple reconciled through private counseling, strengthening their marriage. She attributed the tensions to external factors like Garcia's trauma from ICE detention, the COVID-19 pandemic, and family stresses. Vasquez Sura has criticized the public release of these private matters as "weaponized" to justify Garcia's deportation, emphasizing, "No one is perfect, and no marriage is perfect." She continues to advocate for his rights and return to the family.

"I know more about Abrego Garcia than his wife."
-@Majors

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He said he was sorry and loved me- MontyP spinning once the headlines hit and exposed Maryland Dad as a wife beater.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Reality: In statements issued in April and May 2025, Vasquez Sura explained that she filed the orders "out of caution following a disagreement," influenced by her experience surviving domestic violence in a previous relationship. She chose not to pursue the cases further, and the couple reconciled through private counseling, strengthening their marriage. She attributed the tensions to external factors like Garcia's trauma from ICE detention, the COVID-19 pandemic, and family stresses. Vasquez Sura has criticized the public release of these private matters as "weaponized" to justify Garcia's deportation, emphasizing, "No one is perfect, and no marriage is perfect." She continues to advocate for his rights and return to the family.

"I know more about what goes on in Abrego Garcia's bedroom than his wife."
-@Majors

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They don't have to justify anything, they have a deportation order from 2019. All his pending charges are just the icing on the cake to see who is mentality ill to defend the fence jumper and wife beater. Whether or not she chose to press charges doesn't really mean anything at this point. Its way time for him to go. What exactly do you think you are doing?

 

[MontyPython]

He said he was sorry and loved me- MontyP spinning once the headlines hit and exposed Maryland Dad as a wife beater.

@Majors gathering Intel on Abrego Garcia and wife.

 

[LSU-SIU]

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Unless someone can show something of value, it would seem like he should be deported fairly quickly. The only question whether it was done under the Trump order or the INS order is the destination of his ejection.

As far as I am concerned, just drop him off in Uganda and than do some missile testing there. This is a terrible waste of time, money and resources on the woman beater.

 

[Majors]

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@Majors gathering Intel on Abrego Garcia and wife.

I do love a good picture rebuttal when all other stances fail. MP woke up today and decided to defend battering women.

 

[MontyPython]

I do love a good picture rebuttal when all other stances fail. MP woke up today and decided to defend battering women.

Given that no criminal charges were ever filed, once again, you fail to understand the basic tenant that one is innocent in our country until proven guilty. An allegation - often made under duress or when angry - does not constitute material fact.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Given that no criminal charges were ever filed, once again, you fail to understand the basic tenant that one is innocent in our country until proven guilty.

No, anyone can have an opinion. Now whether he is legally criminally liable for a crime, yes the assumption he is innocent until proven. But all of that is immaterial at this stage. Apparently, you got what you wanted and now appear mad at the outcome. It's very possible the other way was better for him.

It would seem like he beats up women or his wife has issues as well.

Regardless he is an illegal and should have been deported years ago.

 

[Wireless1]

He is from El Salvador.
He most recently was illegally (no active visa or green card) residing in Maryland. Continually referring to him as a “Maryland Dad” would be like referring to me as a “UT Footballer “ if I slipped into Neyland tonight.

 

[Orangeburst]

where is the compassion for all the victims of illegal immigrant crimes?
just like everything else, if it wasnt Trump they wouldnt care.
Weird.

 

[Majors]

Given that no criminal charges were ever filed, once again, you fail to understand the basic tenant that one is innocent in our country until proven guilty. An allegation - often made under duress or when angry - does not constitute material fact.

So she lied? And he didn’t punch her? Does criminal charges need to be filed for you to accept a beating?

You’re an advocate for battered wife syndrome. Got it.

 

[BreatheUT]

I do love a good picture rebuttal when all other stances fail. MP woke up today and decided to defend battering women.

For the record I think the law needs to be followed in this case,, but Killmore is the 2025 version of George Floyd to the left. An illegal with super rights. He's their guy.

 

[Majors]

For the record I think the law needs to be followed in this case,, but Killmore is the 2025 version of George Floyd to the left. An illegal with super rights. He's their guy.

They have to go all in, anything to go against Trump being right again.

 

[LSU-SIU]

For the record I think the law needs to be followed in this case,, but Killmore is the 2025 version of George Floyd to the left. An illegal with super rights. He's their guy.

I guess people can dispute certain things under the Trump order, but nobody appears to be disputing the original deportation order. The only issue in this whole thing legally is where he could be sent or can't be sent. He should have been deported over a half decade ago and if he were additional crimes could have possibly been avoided.

Drop him off via the original order and be done with this nonsense. If he doesn't like it wherever he is sent, send him a freaking Hellfire missile at this point.

 

[Jxn Vol]

The left still do not understand why they lost and will continue to lose

 

[whodeycin85]

Given that no criminal charges were ever filed, once again, you fail to understand the basic tenant that one is innocent in our country until proven guilty. An allegation - often made under duress or when angry - does not constitute material fact.

Reality: In statements issued in April and May 2025, Vasquez Sura explained that she filed the orders "out of caution following a disagreement," influenced by her experience surviving domestic violence in a previous relationship. She chose not to pursue the cases further, and the couple reconciled through private counseling, strengthening their marriage. She attributed the tensions to external factors like Garcia's trauma from ICE detention, the COVID-19 pandemic, and family stresses. Vasquez Sura has criticized the public release of these private matters as "weaponized" to justify Garcia's deportation, emphasizing, "No one is perfect, and no marriage is perfect." She continues to advocate for his rights and return to the family.

"I know more about what goes on in Abrego Garcia's bedroom than his wife."
-@Majors

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Interesting compared to these documents she filed..that's a bit more then being cautious after an argument...

According to the petition filed by Jennifer Vasquez on August 3, 2020, in the District Court of Maryland for Prince George’s County, Garcia verbally abused her, kicked her, slapped her, shoved her, mentally abused her kids, locking them in their bedroom while they cried, and detained Vasquez against her will.
In November 2019, Vasquez alleges that Garcia grabbed her by the hair while in a vehicle. In December 2019, she states Garcia grabbed her from her hair in the car and dragged her out of the vehicle--abandoning her in the street. In January 2020, Vasquez claims Garcia broke her son’s tablet and broke doors in their house. In March 2020, she alleges that Garcia pushed her against the wall while breaking phones and TVs.

This newly released petition was filed in 2020, prior to the petition Vasquez filed against Garcia 2021. In that filing, Vasquez claimed he bruised, punched, and scratched her while ripping off her

 

[Rickyvol77]

I gather you're educated but I think you're unfamiliar with a few basic legal tenants here in the United States.

The first is habeas corpus. This is a fundamental legal right and court order that protects individuals from unlawful imprisonment, requiring the government to present a prisoner and justify the detention before a judge. This right of Garcia was violated by DHS. If you don't like that Garcia is afforded the writ of habeas corpus, then you similarly have no objections to you, personally, being arrested and imprisoned in the future without any cause, right to a hearing or legal process.

The second is due process. This is a course of formal proceedings (as judicial proceedings) carried out regularly, fairly, and in accordance with established rules and principles. Garcia's right to due process was violated in multiple ways including his deportation to El Salvador despite a court order prohibiting this, illegal detention, vindictive prosecution, and now coercion.

The third is the fifth amendment. The Fifth Amendment guarantees due process for all persons in the U.S., including undocumented immigrants. Your suggestion that Garcia has no rights to due process, therefore, is simply wrong.

Look, I understand that you *think* that guys like Garcia are guilty until proven innocent and should be instantaneously deported, but that's not how the legal system works. Trump and his goons have played loose and fast with the law to fulfill his campaign promises, but the judicial branch is catching up with him and holding that many of his actions have violated the law. Not only with Garcia, but also with all the folks Trump illegally deported to El Salvador and Venezuela.

Again, you may not like it, but persons residing here in the US have basic legal rights... and for good reason.

@lawgator1 is far more versed than I am on legal subjects, and may have more to add or opine.

He had his due process in 2019 before Trump ever even knew about this case. He had a valid deportation order and still does. The El Salvador thing is just window dressing.

You keep overlooking the fact that Garcia had his case looked at and the deportation order was agreed to and signed off by TWO judges, then withheld by a higher court.

He IS guilty and will be deported by court order legally.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Yes, all males who've been in a physical alteration with their wife / girlfriend / significant other are the cause of said fight and thus are guilty until proven innocent. Thank you for clarifying that point of law.

Also, FWIW, they worked through that incident and now she wants Garcia back.

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So you are calling his wife a liar and she bruised her own eye?

Also, don't you find it funny she only "wants Garcia back" because NGOs and politicians are giving her a ton of $?