Israel vs Palestinians II

#628
#628
Can someone explain the logic here.

Terror group attacks Israel.

Israel supplies aid to the people governed by the terror group.

The terror group steals the aid from their people.

Israel gets blamed.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Did you read your own link?

Commissioned and paid for by…..
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Has audio recording of the PRCS coordinating with the IDF and receiving clearance ever been released?

That would be an obvious smoking gun. Why can PRCS release audio of the girls call to them, but not release proof of the actual clearance they claim to have received?
 
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NCFisher said:
Yes, even those not inclined to anti-semitism have incorporated a fictitious accounting of the founding of the state into their belief of what transpired, predominantly "Jews stole the land from poor Arabs" or similar nonsense. They know nothing of the history, that the Arab is far mored the colonizer here than the Jew, nothing of the 1800s land purchases, who actually owned the land, that the British unfairly advantaged the Arab in both ability to purchase land and immigrate to it. Even to the point of British overseers encouraging the Arabs to attack the Jews while they looked the other way, and following their assumed success, those British officers would recommend abandoning the Jewish Home, as the they referred to the potential Israeli state. I doubt many of them understand the post-WW ramifications of how the lands came under British mandate and how such things are handled at conflict's conclusion. 90% of people with an opinion have no clue, and half of the remaining 10% have an agenda. I find the creation of Israel much less controversial than many.

Let's make a distinction between purposeful military strategy of targeting civilians and incidental casualty, which given the close quarters I'm surprised isn't exponentially higher. Once the distinction is made and someone can demonstrate a strategy of targeting or taking no precaution to minimize civilian casualty, then I'm willing to talk. But my first question will be 'why make Israel a historical anomaly?' That is, since when does even Western society go to these lengths to avoid civilian casualty? Hell, the Allies purposely targeted German and Japanese cities to bring the war to an end.

And I'll state, justifiably so. If a people can elect a government who initiates war, why should they be exempt from those consequences? If they can simply sit back while the war is waging remotely, what compels their government to cease? At the very least, their own injury may cause them to pull support for their warring government and petition it. There is no moral reason to exempt or avoid civilian casualty beyond what Israel has done, and is far more than nations have done historically. There's a silly notion there has to be some fairness - an equivalency - in number of casualties, that the Jew must then cease. No one does war that way.

That's not me dancing. That's flatly stating the 'world community' has emboldened Israel's enemies with 2-state stupidity, and warfare limitations they'd never impose on themselves. The caring people created and prolonged this century old battle between Arab and Jew, when Israel should have had no restraint securing their nation more permanently, long ago. I'm saying Gaza put their life in Israel's hands Oct 7, and Israel has the moral standing here to secure themselves. I like that they've minimized civilian casualty, but who the hell am I to demand of them what we'd not impose upon ourselves?

(I do have a wicked Jesco White impression)
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our MIC is out of control in the last 20 to 30 years. We should be demanding better of ourselves and others. We aren't going to be the world standard forever, and people tend to have long memories.

I too think the they state solution can't work, I've never been more convinced. The only way is for these two groups of people to live together, no defacto separate states living in different settlements. Either Palestinians leave Israel or become full fledged and represented members of it.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Well thought out reply. Thank you.
Do you think that there is an acceptable number of collateral deaths for military operations? Because I think we can both agree that zero is impossible when live rounds are flying. So there should be some way to determine when the number becomes unacceptable.
In the conflict which I have studied in depth the most; I would definitely say the civilian death tolls in the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were too high as were also the fire bombing of Dresden and Tokyo.
Full disclosure, I don’t know what that percentage or number should be myself. I just feel that Israel has not surpassed it, especially because I believe the stated casualty number are greatly exaggerated
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I think as a rule any group prosecuting war should aim for as close to the number zero as is possible. I too will not claim to know what number should be, I can only say I do not believe Israel is as close to that number as they could be.
 
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MemphisVol77 said:
Has audio recording of the PRCS coordinating with the IDF and receiving clearance ever been released?

That would be an obvious smoking gun. Why can PRCS release audio of the girls call to them, but not release proof of the actual clearance they claim to have received?
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That’s a good question
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Because that’s the only way they can spin a Hamas massacre to look like Israel did it. The x95 Tavor, the M4 the Ar 15 all shoot at a rate from 700-1000 RPM.
The problem is that Hamas is using AR15s but there was still no 556 nato at the “crime scene “

Ya, Hamas has some guns that shoot at that rate too.
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I see what you are saying now. I've heard this incident referenced multiple times.

Are you saying they found Kalishnakov rounds at the scene of the massacre but no NATO rounds? Can you link to this info? If true that it's very interesting and would strike me next to impossible for Israel to have been involved.
 
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#634
Hamas’s strategy is to maximize suffering on its own side—and then have the world blame Israel.
Our moral confusion is its chief asset.



www.thefp.com

Coleman Hughes: The Simple Truth About the War in Gaza

Hamas’s strategy is to maximize suffering on its own side—and then have the world blame Israel. Our moral confusion is its chief asset.
www.thefp.com www.thefp.com
 
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KB5252 said:
I see what you are saying now. I've heard this incident referenced multiple times.

Are you saying they found Kalishnakov rounds at the scene of the massacre but no NATO rounds? Can you link to this info? If true that it's very interesting and would strike me next to impossible for Israel to have been involved.
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Remind me tonight when I’m not up to my elbows in installing a toilet
 
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Vol8188 said:
A country is made of up of numerous individuals. Individuals do wrong. Unlike Hamas, Israel typically punishes their citizens who intentionally harm Palestinian civilians.

Palestinian governments reward their citizens for harming Israelis
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This is far from reality. Palestinian settlers get away with murder of Palestinians in the West Bank on a weekly basis.

Even more disturbing, since 2022 10 Americans have been murdered by Israeli settlers, and not a single case has lead to any criminal charge or conviction.
 
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The problem with a two state solution in a nut shell.

Why don’t people believe it when they say they don’t want a two State and chant “From The River To The Sea”

Europe, UN, US Democrats, Australia, Canada, Arab League: “We demand a Two State Solution”Europe: “We demand a Two State Solution”

Israel: “We offered it many times”

Hamas, PLO and PA: “We’re not actually sure why you’re all demanding a Two State Solution. And we’re not really sure why Israel offered us any proposals or gave us Gaza. We don’t want a damned Two State Solution. We want ALL of it, every inch of Israel, and we want to kill all the Jews. We’ve been pretty freaking clear about it in fact. We even did October 7 and will do it again and again and again and again until we kill them all. And then, when we’ve got all of Israel and they’re all dead and we control Jerusalem, then we’re coming for ALL the world next. Mwahahaha”….

Europe, UN, US Democrats, Australia, Canada, Arab League: “We demand a Two State Solution”


And round and round we go. Cut, paste, repeat

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#643
MAD said:
What kind of man hides behind women and children?

Y’all owe Israel an apology.



In Sweden crowds chanting for martyrdom. Children are dressed as suicide bombers, holding flags, phrases like "Hamas is a glorious name for dying a martyr." It exposes radical Islamist grooming of youth.
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A Muslim
 
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KB5252 said:
our MIC is out of control in the last 20 to 30 years. We should be demanding better of ourselves and others. We aren't going to be the world standard forever, and people tend to have long memories.

I too think the they state solution can't work, I've never been more convinced. The only way is for these two groups of people to live together, no defacto separate states living in different settlements. Either Palestinians leave Israel or become full fledged and represented members of it.
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No disagreement there; nothing more plainly states it than when our own CIA attempts to smear a prez candidate, usurp a sitting one, and successfully installs their preferred candidate labeling a laptop a Russian psyops.

I don't think Israel can ingest 5.5M Gazan and West Bank Arabs without authoring their own expiration date, but if it happened I'd root for you to be right.
 
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#647
Orangeburst said:
well trained dog if he uses a toilet.
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It will double as a guest bathroom.
I’m more concerned about these 2 dogs. They’re 100 pounds each and the home owner believes they can teach them to go up a ramp.

I’m betting I get to go back and install a hoist.
(I put extra support in the ceiling just in case)
 
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#648
Large gathering of Israeli vets in protest of their government.

"We never went out against any war until now."

 
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#650
MAD said:
It's unbelievable that there are so many idiots that believe this and allow themselves to be manipulated.

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Lol at them showing a couple fattie chicks and puffy kids and in the very first breath trying to say Israel is starving them

Why the Hell is it Israels responsibility to feed these people anyway??? Gaza isnt some land locked area nobody can get to. Its a freaking coastal area roughly 4miles×20miles with about 20 freaking miles of ocean front. They need to feed themselves or GTFO. THEY wanted their own territory. THEY attacked innocent women and children starting this war. THEY are incapable of being self sufficient in 2025 unable to provide their OWN:
Food
Water
Electricity
Transportation
Economy

That means they have a FAILED STATE. It isn't Israelis (the people they openly HATE and wish to all be dead) responsibility to provide these people...their enemies...with any type of sustenance whatsoever. All the while these hate filled muslims occupy the Jews territory given to them by GOD Himself and whose ownership can be proven to be Jews both historically AND through genetics/science.

Hamas wanted a war to the death. Forever. Congrats...they finally got one.
From the river to the sea.
 
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