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#33,476
Orangeslice13 said:
Really?
I have not hand waved anything.
If you have been following this thread I pointed out the rise in violence in the was bank from the start of this conflict.
The dipsticks liking your posts thought it was irrelevant and said I was trying to deflect. The funny thing is it was about the sheep caretakers vacating the land and settlers moving in. I said that it would lead to unrest and violence but nobody wanted to hear it.

And here we are.
Just like I said we would be.
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I understand tensions are high to put it extremely lightly. Blaming Hamas for every single action Israel takes after 10/07 just doesn't logically follow. I have no problem with Israel defending itself. I do not see Israel defending itself when firing upon masses of starving people waiting for aid. I don't absolve the settlers of murdering an American because 10/07 happened. Two things can be true. Hamas is evil and what they did on 10/07 was evil. Shooting at unarmed people in bread lines is evil. Killing innocent people and stealing their land is evil.
 
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MercyPercy said:
I understand tensions are high to put it extremely lightly. Blaming Hamas for every single action Israel takes after 10/07 just doesn't logically follow. I have no problem with Israel defending itself. I do not see Israel defending itself when firing upon masses of starving people waiting for aid. I don't absolve the settlers of murdering an American because 10/07 happened. Two things can be true. Hamas is evil and what they did on 10/07 was evil. Shooting at unarmed people in bread lines is evil. Killing innocent people and stealing their land is evil.
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We’re getting somewhere.
That’s why I enjoy talking to you. It doesn’t hurt that you’ve been there.

We can move beyond cause and effect.
We are here now. The end comes when the hostages are released and Hamas is gone.
How do you make that happen?
Edit: or do you think those conditions are not required?


And please post the videos of the IDF shooting people in line. Because right now all I’ve seen is reports of a shooting that turned out to be 4 miles from the distribution center and Hamas shooting their own.
 
#33,478
#33,478
Orangeslice13 said:
That’s just it. Israel has not won. They still hold hostages and they still have power. There are as many people or more killed in those lines by the Hamas militants.and some of those hostages were Americans. I don’t recall anyone on the pro Hamas side caring about Americans then.
If Hamas is left in power then it all happens again and all this dead, on both sides was for nothing.

How would you end it
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Don't know how to end it. This **** has been going on in some form or fashion in that area for the entire course of recorded human history and there were plenty of folks alive in that great swath of time much smarter than me who couldn't figure it out either. I'm not sure shooting up aid lines has been tried yet but I guess it doesn't hurt to test out new ideas.
 
#33,479
#33,479
MercyPercy said:
Don't know how to end it. This **** has been going on in some form or fashion in that area for the entire course of recorded human history and there were plenty of folks alive in that great swath of time much smarter than me who couldn't figure it out either. I'm not sure shooting up aid lines has been tried yet but I guess it doesn't hurt to test out new ideas.
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I’m still baffled that the Clinton deal didn’t happen.
I’d love to continue this later but I have building inspections.
I’ll tag you if you want
 
#33,480
#33,480
MercyPercy said:
Don't know how to end it. This **** has been going on in some form or fashion in that area for the entire course of recorded human history and there were plenty of folks alive in that great swath of time much smarter than me who couldn't figure it out either. I'm not sure shooting up aid lines has been tried yet but I guess it doesn't hurt to test out new ideas.
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I think this is why the thread only serves as a place for those who love to argue. The conflict preceded all of us. The conflict will outlast all of us. There is no idea or understanding which brings solution. There are no more ideas to discuss.
 
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#33,481
Orangeslice13 said:
Really?
I have not hand waved anything.
If you have been following this thread I pointed out the rise in violence in the was bank from the start of this conflict.
The dipsticks liking your posts thought it was irrelevant and said I was trying to deflect. The funny thing is it was about the sheep caretakers vacating the land and settlers moving in. I said that it would lead to unrest and violence but nobody wanted to hear it.

And here we are.
Just like I said we would be.
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You were taunting pro-Palestine people by saying Palestinians were selling land to Israelis in the West Bank, that's hardly a condemnation of settler violence
 
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#33,483
Orangeslice13 said:
Lololol
You’re lost in stupidity.
They dug up their water infrastructure to make rockets. They were given money to build more infrastructure. Where did that go? They were given money to build electrical infrastructure. They didn’t even do maintenance repairs. Where did that money go?
I get that you want the Israeli to take care of them and wipe their ass for them but that’s not how the world works. They had a chance to be self sufficient and they chose not to be.
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You don't get much of anything. You're so concerned with supporting your side's fables that you ignore reality.
Hamas is and has always been a trash excuse for local government, which is what Israel's wanted and supported. They've misused resources and worked to stay in power rather than for the good of the people. That said, no Gaza government no matter how efficient could have developed the economy there significantly with all the barriers imposed by Israel.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
So again none of this happens without Hamas “pulling the trigger “ on 10/07 and falling to condemn that is reprehensible
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It's been clearly and repeatedly condemned. Implying that it hasn't been is pretty dishonest. Or do you have memory problems or something?
Primary responsibility for Israel's crimes lies with those giving the orders and pulling the triggers.
 
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#33,486
Orangeslice13 said:
Really?
I have not hand waved anything.
If you have been following this thread I pointed out the rise in violence in the was bank from the start of this conflict.
The dipsticks liking your posts thought it was irrelevant and said I was trying to deflect. The funny thing is it was about the sheep caretakers vacating the land and settlers moving in. I said that it would lead to unrest and violence but nobody wanted to hear it.

And here we are.
Just like I said we would be.
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You really do have your very own special reality.
 
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#33,488
📢 FACT: Israel has gone further than any nation in modern history to uphold the laws of armed conflict and minimize harm to civilians in Gaza, even while facing a terrorist group like Hamas that systematically violates every single one of these laws.

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MercyPercy said:
I'm genuinely confused as to why we keep seeing videos of either IDF or mercs taking pot shots at the mass of humanity in the aid lines. Blasting the sand near them, hit a couple people, no big deal. Is it for entertainment?
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If it’s the video I think you are talking about, been debunked. I found it but I want to see your proof first.



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Smokey123 said:
It’s happened on multiple occasions. Just Sunday 6 children were killed in an air strike while collecting water. Israel ruled it as a “technical error”
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You mentioned a specific one shooting in the sand. Show proof of that one first.
 
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#33,497
Smokey123 said:
It’s happened on multiple occasions. Just Sunday 6 children were killed in an air strike while collecting water. Israel ruled it as a “technical error”
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How would you conduct the war if you were in charge?
Do the wrong people get hit in war?
Does that mean those hits were intentional?
Should they stop conducting the war because of those hits?


People like to cry and point fingers but rarely do they have any kind of realistic answers. I’m curious if you do.
 
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@MercyPercy
I’d like to see this video.
I’m skeptical as this has happened too many times.

-children were just trying to see what was left of their homes and the IDF shot them
Reality——they were in their 20s, carrying weapons in a posted no go zone and were not from the area.
- the IDF bombed a house and killed the poor Drs husband and family.
Reality——-the husband was a Hamas militant having a meeting with other Hamas militant’s leadership when they were hit.
-the IDF killed people waiting in line for food.
Reality. The militants were shot 4 miles away from the distribution center.

These stories have a way of being reported then abandoned when the truth comes out.
 
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One of the 3 stooges posted just a headline, no context like they always do. It’s important to get the whole story.

If you don’t understand that the blood libels and propaganda are what is causing the huge rise in antisemitism around the globe.

People like this poster just add to the antisemitism by their actions.

That’s why they have become the useful idiots of Hamas.



A journalist affiliated with Hamas was eliminated: Hussam Salah Al-Adlouni, a senior journalist in the resistance's media apparatus, was killed in an IDF airstrike on a tent in Al-Qarara, north of Khan Younis. His wife, Suad, and their three children — Abd al-Rahman, Shahd, and Fayrouz — were also eliminated with him.



Every so-called "journalist" in Gaza with ties to Hamas is on notice. If you spread blood libels and propaganda against our just struggle to survive and defend ourselves — you're not innocent.

If you're taking blood money from Hamas and Qatar to push terrorist propaganda, if you're working with or for terror groups — you're part of the enemy.

Hamas operatives — including those in the propaganda wing — are legitimate targets.

If they value their families lives, they should stay far away. Choices have consequences.


 
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