President Donald Trump - J.D. Vance Administration

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McDad said:
Let's wait for the adjustment coming in about a month before we celebrate.
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I went ahead and took a look at April and May. You can go ahead and pop a cork!

Yet another win for Trump!

May 2025:
  • Total nonfarm payroll employment increased by 139,000.
  • Key sectors with job gains: Health care, leisure and hospitality, and social assistance.
  • Sector with job losses: Federal government.
  • Revisions: The initial May figure was revised up by 5,000 jobs to 144,000.
April 2025:
  • Initial data for April was revised up by 11,000 jobs to 158,000.
 
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BeardedVol said:
That article doesn't cite a request that the Trump campaign made for the Butler event, and was subsequently denied, either.

It doesn't even mention what previous requests were actually made, and rejected other than "additional manpower".

You want a third try to show the Biden admin willfully attempting to put Trump's life in danger?
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They put 20 secret service people in total to plan and staff Butler (per House report). 20. Compare that to normal protection details and get back to me. (Hint, its a tiny fraction of a normal protection).

This was Biden admin leadership incompetence at a minimum. The question was was it willful incompetence or reckless incompetence.

Actions speak louder than words for me and this bled into the willful incompetence level. If you want to argue reckless incompetence, that's fair..


When you get continously denied, at some point you stop asking....

I see you are moving thr goalposts since you now agree prior requests were denied.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
They put 20 secret service people in total to plan and staff Butler (per House report). 20. Compare that to normal protection details and get back to me. (Hint, its a tiny fraction of a normal protection).

This was Biden admin leadership incompetence at a minimum. The question was was it willful incompetence or reckless incompetence.


When you get continously denied, at some point you stop asking....

I see you are moving thr goalposts since you now agree prior requests were denied.
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Trump had ~100 secret service agents assigned to him as a former president as part of his personal security detail.

I have no idea what their shifts look like, but for the sake of argument, let's assume 1/3-1/2 would have been involved in his direct security, and as you said, another 20 were dispatched by Secret Service for the event. That's 50-70 agents for the event, plus the state and local law enforcement that was providing additional security.

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Crooks was outside of any perimeter that was maintained by SS directly even if there had been more agents on site, as local law enforcement were literally inside the building that Crooks shot from, and were charged with securing it as well as the entire outer perimeter.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Trump had ~100 secret service agents assigned to him as a former president as part of his personal security detail.

I have no idea what their shifts look like, but for the sake of argument, let's assume 1/3-1/2 would have been involved in his direct security, and as you said, another 20 were dispatched by Secret Service for the event. That's 50-70 agents for the event, plus the state and local law enforcement that was providing additional security.

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Crooks was outside of any perimeter that was maintained by SS directly even if there had been more agents on site, as local law enforcement were literally inside the building that Crooks shot from, and were charged with securing it as well as the entire outer perimeter.
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That building was outside the perimeter because there was not enough SS agents there.

The SS is responsible. Period.

Shapiro got my respect when he wouldnt allow the locals to take the fall here. That and him being Jewish probably cost him the VP slot...
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
That building was outside the perimeter because there was not enough SS agents there.

The SS is responsible. Period.

Shapiro got my respect when he wouldnt allow the locals to take the fall here. That and him being Jewish probably cost him the VP slot...
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Responsible for the security at the event as a whole, and responsible for the outer perimeter are two different things.

I get it that you really want your conspiracy to be true, but pretending that the Secret Service doesn't partner with state and local law enforcement at literally every event attended by a president, former president, or presidential candidate, is just a coping mechanism for you not being able to manufacture any evidence that the Biden admin willfully put Trump's life in danger.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Responsible for the security at the event as a whole, and responsible for the outer perimeter are two different things.

I get it that you really want your conspiracy to be true, but pretending that the Secret Service doesn't partner with state and local law enforcement at literally every event attended by a president, former president, or presidential candidate, is just a coping mechanism for you not being able to manufacture any evidence that the Biden admin willfully put Trump's life in danger.
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I get that you want to absolve the Biden admin of anything wrong.

The Biden admin led SS at this time. They could not staff properly. They did not assign enough. They repeatedly denied resources. They lied to the American people after the fact. They were responsible for the security that day. They failed in every way possible. These are undisputed facts. Ones you choose to ignore because your head is stuck so far up the ass of thr D party..

It was a microcosm of the incompetence of that administration. You are too much of a hack to realize that
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
I get that you want to absolve the Biden admin of anything wrong.

The Biden admin led SS at this time. They could not staff properly. They did not assign enough. They repeatedly denied resources. They lied to the American people after the fact. They were responsible for the security that day. They failed in every way possible. A

It was a microcosm of the incompetence of that administration. You are too much of a hack to realize that
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Again, you've showed no requests for the Butler event that were denied, nor have you provided any evidence that suggests additional Secret Service agents would have changed the plan to secure the outer perimeter of the event space.

You know the old adage, "want in one hand, 💩 in the other..."
 
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BeardedVol said:
Again, you've showed no requests for the Butler event that were denied, nor have you provided any evidence that suggests additional Secret Service agents would have changed the plan to secure the outer perimeter of the event space.

You know the old adage, "want in one hand, 💩 in the other..."
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I have shown multiple times were more resources were requested in general and denied. It was multiple blanket requests for just more protection. You choose to ignore that. There were numerous requests over 2 years for more security and they were all denied (Washington Post)..

A surveillance team could have been assigned but the Biden admin led SS chose not to. They chose to utilize it for a controlled, secured, enclosed event for a member of the POTUS's family that had 2% of the attendees.

Still carrying that water I see...
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Here's an alternate conspiracy theory for you. It was a legitimate assassination attempt. The swamp orchestrated it. Biden's SS allowed it. The assassin was killed to cover it up. Why else allow him to expose himself on the rooftop without stopping him while people were pointing him out to the SS?

Matches every one of your conspiracy theory points. According to your logic, it must be true until evidence is given to prove otherwise.
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Biden's SS?? Are you saying a former president no longer has own SS detail? The trump clan has no private scurity?
 
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