New York City

#4,227
#4,227
whodeycin85 said:
According to Google AI...
NYC is down from around a billion q3 24 to q3 25

Real Property taxes are down 22.3%

To go along with an 9 billion lost from corporation and high end tax payer leaving. Between 2020 and 2025.
Click to expand...
Google AI is wrong like 70% of the time lol

IMG_0439.png
 
#4,233
#4,233
whodeycin85 said:
Wouldnt that be a peace thru strength type system??? Sometimes it'll be worse..others it won't....just like without force more time then not people will push the envelope to see how much they can get away with...
Click to expand...
As a man who has been married for almost 30 years, and a parent for 27 years, I can unequivocally assert that "peace through strength" isn't always the best approach and sometimes backfires spectacularly.
Imagine someone not capable of thinking clearly or with an emotional instability. The 'strength' those folks feel from police can be intimidating. It creates fight or flight reflexes. What if there was a better way to approach those folks? What if the better approach kept them out of fight or flight? And what if that allowed for better communication, understanding, and help considering their mental / emotional instability?
Strength and force in the above scenario would still be at hand but only in affect when there were threats needing to be neutralized.
 
  • Like
Reactions: EasternVol and NashVol11
#4,235
#4,235
NashVol11 said:
You are more than welcome to be wrong, it's funny that this board thinks everyone left of Trump is in love with Biden/Kamala
Click to expand...
Just kidding with you man. It's hard to believe that you support this progressive liberal socialist for NY mayor but didn't support the closest candidate to that with an actual chance to win in the last POTUS election in Harris though.
 
#4,236
#4,236
NashVol11 said:
Do you think the Jazz set the record during the 2024 NBA Finals between two teams that weren't the Jazz? Lmao
Click to expand...
No but as a database that draws from article it's only as good as the I do it pulling from. give me the exact wording you used...if I get the same result I'll concede...
 
#4,237
#4,237
McDad said:
As a man who has been married for almost 30 years, and a parent for 27 years, I can unequivocally assert that "peace through strength" isn't always the best approach and sometimes backfires spectacularly.
Imagine someone not capable of thinking clearly or with an emotional instability. The 'strength' those folks feel from police can be intimidating. It creates fight or flight reflexes. What if there was a better way to approach those folks? What if the better approach kept them out of fight or flight? And what if that allowed for better communication, understanding, and help considering their mental / emotional instability?
Strength and force in the above scenario would still be at hand but only in affect when there were threats needing to be neutralized.
Click to expand...
I knew someone who stopped for gas in SC, wasn't paying attention and drove off with the gas pump attached. They went next door to a fast food place, left the pump on the ground, went in and got food, and as they walked back to their car about 8 cop cars pulled up through both sides of the drive thru. The cop in the front car jumped out and pointed their gun at the person, over a gas pump. Thank God for all that "strength"
 
  • Like
Reactions: McDad
#4,238
#4,238
Vol since 77 said:
Just kidding with you man. It's hard to believe that you support this progressive liberal socialist for NY mayor but didn't support the closest candidate to that in the last POTUS election in Harris though.
Click to expand...
She wasn't the closest candidate to that. The right called her a "socialist" but she was much closer to that in the past than in 2024
 
#4,239
#4,239
McDad said:
As a man who has been married for almost 30 years, and a parent for 27 years, I can unequivocally assert that "peace through strength" isn't always the best approach and sometimes backfires spectacularly.
Imagine someone not capable of thinking clearly or with an emotional instability. The 'strength' those folks feel from police can be intimidating. It creates fight or flight reflexes. What if there was a better way to approach those folks? What if the better approach kept them out of fight or flight? And what if that allowed for better communication, understanding, and help considering their mental / emotional instability?
Strength and force in the above scenario would still be at hand but only in affect when there were threats needing to be neutralized.
Click to expand...
I understand completely..i dont believe that's a fair comparison. By the time the either police or a social worker are needed the suspect is typically in a flight or fight mode..and if we are talking about mentally ill people they are not acting within social norms..so typical response are out the window.
 
  • Like
Reactions: McDad
#4,240
#4,240
NashVol11 said:
I knew someone who stopped for gas in SC, wasn't paying attention and drove off with the gas pump attached. They went next door to a fast food place, left the pump on the ground, went in and got food, and as they walked back to their car about 8 cop cars pulled up through both sides of the drive thru. The cop in the front car jumped out and pointed their gun at the person, over a gas pump. Thank God for all that "strength"
Click to expand...
I detest small people in big positions of power.

There are anecdotes which show both sides of the topic. Cops are routinely attacked (even unsuccessfully), and in a lot of danger when they assist people on the interstate, and get to see some of the ugliest society has to offer. The stress of the duty is real. They are "on edge".

For me, that is even more reason to keep them doing what they need to do and possibly offloading duties others can do (or do better).
 
  • Like
Reactions: dovervolz and EasternVol
#4,241
#4,241
NashVol11 said:
I knew someone who stopped for gas in SC, wasn't paying attention and drove off with the gas pump attached. They went next door to a fast food place, left the pump on the ground, went in and got food, and as they walked back to their car about 8 cop cars pulled up through both sides of the drive thru. The cop in the front car jumped out and pointed their gun at the person, over a gas pump. Thank God for all that "strength"
Click to expand...
I would think that would be a huge news story or lawsuit?? Surely he sued them???
 
#4,244
#4,244
whodeycin85 said:
I understand completely..i dont believe that's a fair comparison. By the time the either police or a social worker are needed the suspect is typically in a flight or fight mode..and if we are talking about mentally ill people they are not acting within social norms..so typical response are out the window.
Click to expand...
No doubt non typical people are acting outside of social norms.

I don't agree that everyone is in fight or flight before "help" arrives. Also, to be clear, I don't everyone encountering police go into fight or flight. Furthermore, I don't want a social worker as the first response to a murderer going ham on everyone.

Again, I am in favor in testing some alternate approaches. I am data driven.
 
#4,247
#4,247
McDad said:
No doubt non typical people are acting outside of social norms.

I don't agree that everyone is in fight or flight before "help" arrives. Also, to be clear, I don't everyone encountering police go into fight or flight. Furthermore, I don't want a social worker as the first response to a murderer going ham on everyone.

Again, I am in favor in testing some alternate approaches. I am data driven.
Click to expand...
Data driven..cool. Studies show that harsher penalties have a little effect on crime..but the fear of and certainy of getting caught is a bigger deterrent..as well as a swift and certain punishment..so by those logically a non police with no powers to detain or arrest a person would be met with more of a fight response due to the belief they can get way from his person. And with our court systems wish washy version of justice or no wonder our society is degrading a crime is increasing. It also a big reason Recidivism is increasing.
 
  • Like
Reactions: MemphisVol77, dalton_vol and McDad
#4,248
#4,248
whodeycin85 said:
Data driven..cool. Studies show that harsher penalties have a little effect on crime..but the fear of and certainy of getting caught is a bigger deterrent..as well as a swift and certain punishment..so by those logically a non police with no powers to detain or arrest a person would be met with more of a fight response due to the belief they can get way from his person. And with our court systems wish washy version of justice or no wonder our society is degrading a crime is increasing. It also a big reason Recidivism is increasing.
Click to expand...
Yes. I agree with much in your post.

What if I asked something specific which is at the root of the conversation, let's see if it adds any nuance to where we are........what if the folks I am talking about (the ones I think are more effectively handled with a social worker rather than police) aren't criminals. Does that modify your thoughts on the subject?
 
#4,249
#4,249
McDad said:
Yes. I agree with much in your post.

What if I asked something specific which is at the root of the conversation, let's see if it adds any nuance to where we are........what if the folks I am talking about (the ones I think are more effectively handled with a social worker rather than police) aren't criminals. Does that modify your thoughts on the subject?
Click to expand...
Absolutely...I was just researching the the Denver Star program. It seems successful to those particular situations and I'm all for that but crime overall is up in Denver so it's not a deterrent..its alternative to mental hospitals. Cuz they literally connect them with help which is great but also flood the system and they have longer wait times for help.
 
  • Like
Reactions: McDad
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.
Advertisement

Back
Top