Iran

[hndog609]

dirty bombs. no fireball, no emp, just slow, painful deaths due to radiation poisoning.

I don't think uranium is nearly as effective as other radioactive materials for a DB. I think it would be very, very effective in having a discouragingly large portion of the population lose their ever loving minds at the thought of anything that combines "radiation" and "bomb".

Edit: looks like 8188 beat me to that one

 

[Matt2496]

I don't think Uranium is nearly as effective as other radioactive materials for a DB. I think it would be very, very effective in having a discouragingly large portion of the population lose their ever loving minds at the thought of anything that combines "radiation" and "bomb".

Absolutely. Everyone freaks out about Uranium, but in reality, the most toxic aspect of Uranium is that it’s a heavy metal. Uranium 235 by itself isn’t very radioactive.

Now if Iran used fission products from their reactors, that would be orders of magnitude worse.

 

[82_VOL_83]

I was the intitiator the convo with OHvol. I wasn't thinking in terms of magas and libs. I was thinking in terms of unwavering R and others.

I don't think OHvol would mind if those who leaned one way but had an objective posting history "officiated" a dispute in our bet.

I'm objective. You won.

 

[McDad]

I'm objective. You won.

LOL.

 

[82_VOL_83]

I don't recall any of them doubling down on those overclaims nearly to the extent Trump does. Trump makes some absolute statement and instead of ever admitting he was mistaken-- thereby reducing his bragging- he changes the claim and dodges his arrogantly made and wrong prior claim.

Its absolutely a personality defect in him, its born of his narcissism, and let's just pray that his ego making claims his ass can't cash doesn't end up having really bad consequences for the country.

Wow, now where have we heard that type of dodge before?

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

I don't think uranium is nearly as effective as other radioactive materials for a DB. I think it would be very, very effective in having a discouragingly large portion of the population lose their ever loving minds at the thought of anything that combines "radiation" and "bomb".

Edit: looks like 8188 beat me to that one

Israel has, I believe, researched and educated their populace about dirty bombs because there's a reasonable possibility of one hitting a populated area like Tel Aviv.

As we've seen with the aftermath of the October attack, Israel is brutal against those who attack citizens. I believe they might actually level Tehran if Iran dropped a dirty bomb.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

The allegation was always that it was 20:1 50:1 of “right wingers / maga” to everyone else.

The “everyone else” doesn’t simply mean progressive/dem/liberal - it simply means not a hard core right winger.

You would be part of the “everyone else”, but you’re no liberal.
Mojo would be part of the “everyone else”, but he’s no liberal.
I would be part of the “everyone else”, and am certainly no liberal (modern at least).

Hey, I'm accused by perfectly reasonable, intelligent posters of being a libtard on a daily basis.

 

[hndog609]

Israel has, I believe, researched and educated their populace about dirty bombs because there's a reasonable possibility of one hitting a populated area like Tel Aviv.

As we've seen with the aftermath of the October attack, Israel is brutal against those who attack citizens. I believe they might actually level Tehran if Iran dropped a dirty bomb.

I agree the Israeli response to a dirty bomb would be...very energetic.

Just to throw it out there the inventor of the Neutron Bomb was an Austrian Jew. The same guy, Samuel Cohen, came up with the idea of a "nuclear wall" that's kinda interesting in a sci-fi/mad scientist sort of way.

 

[rekinhavoc]

Can’t claim this is my field, but per chat gpt it wouldn’t be very effective

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Fauci-ites unite! Bring back the masks!

 

[Delmar]

It wouldn't have brought a quick end to the war. We were GOING to win the Pacific War and had fought at great cost of lives on both sides to the point where an invasion and complete victory WERE coming. It was, because of the mindset of Japanese at the time, going to cost thousands and thousands of lives from both sides but the end was not in doubt when we used the nuclear option.

The nuclear option was ONE WAY to stop the war without costing so many more lives. Wars come down to:
Are all these lives (ours and our enemies) worth our objectives?
Are there ways to demoralize and "shock and awe" our enemy to get them to give up sooner with less lives lost for everyone, especially us?

The answers, with the nukes vs Japan, was yes and yes.

This isn't "capture the flag" in your backyard where running through the house and ambushing your opponent via coming out a back bedroom window is "not fair." You do what needs to be done to get it over with whether it's conventional or not, cruel or not, horrible or not to save as many lives, yes...... preferably your sides lives..... as possible.

You might as well stop trying to explain it rationally to him. He’s never going to get it.

 

[Vol8188]

Fauci-ites unite! Bring back the masks!

I miss the week when he was telling us to double mask

 

[MontyPython]

Orbital kinetic weapons systems are pretty darn interesting indeed.

I got an orbital sander.

With 60 grit paper it can cause a big rash.

 

[tbh]

I got an orbital sander.

With 60 grit paper it can cause a big rash.

The sacrifices one makes for exfoliation...

 

[MontyPython]

The sacrifices one makes for exfoliation...

I tried to use it but got intercepted by WaterPik

 

[85SugarVol]

Hey, I'm accused by perfectly reasonable, intelligent posters of being a libtard on a daily basis.

Settle down, juicebox.

 

[Vol423]

Fauci-ites unite! Bring back the masks!

There's no way any radiation is piercing that inpenetrable veil.

 

[tbh]

I tried to use it but got intercepted by WaterPik

See, if you're using the orbital for dental care and shinin', you gotta spring for that fancy 2000 grit.

 

[Orangeburst]

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

No, she's wrong and so are you in this instance. It has been decided by their neighbors, and we agree, that they should not have nuclear weapons because of their history of attacks on their neighbors....... And because they aren't trusted by their neighbors and should they achieve nuclear weapons everyone in the area would as well starting an arms race.

No one in the area wants that........... Except Iran.

That's why the action was taken. It has nothing to do with them being Muslim for the vast majority. It's a strawman construct only intended to be divisive because that's what the left and right do to each other now. And that was Joy's entire schtick at MSNBC.

Their neighbors? Or do you mean the puppet regimes we control? If you did a poll of CITIZENS of said Middle Eastern countries, do you think they would support or be against Iran getting nukes?

You might not be aware of the pulse in the Middle East but most people in that region hate their governments. The governments are mostly controlled by a few oligarchs that we prop up to do our bidding. Iran is our enemy because they're the only country in the region we don't control.

I promise most of the people in the Middle East would be happy to see the only country in the region not totally under the influence or control of America and Israel getting a nuke.

 

[UT_Dutchman]

Everyone also knows FDR recalled the USS Nimitz back through the time anomaly just when Kirk Douglas was about to turn his Tomcats loose on the Japanese task force. Was even a documentary movie about that

The Final Countdown.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Why did you get apples from the store 5 years ago but get pears today?

The pertinent questions are:

Did Israel in fact steal the material?

What was the consensus among their neighbors?

Did it create an arms race in the region?


Honestly this sounds like a very juvenile argument. Things change, situations manifest. The fact is they already do, had they not and suddenly put together a program in sure it would cause issues today much as it has with Iran.

If the threat is starting a nuclear arms race in that region the US position should be to oppose that ambition much as it has in Iran. It's not just about Iran, it's about the rest if the region.

There's a difference between what's ideal and what we should be willing to go to war over. I wish nobody in the Middle East had nukes. Nor am I rooting for Iran to get nukes now. My argument is why are we willing to go to war to keep them from getting one? I simply don't think it's worth the loss of American lives to keep a nation from developing weapons others have already developed and nobody invaded or attacked them.

Once again the only reason there is a drum beat for war with Iran to keep them from getting nukes is bigotry against Muslims. This is about their religion and the hatred many on the right have for Islam than anything else.

 

[volbound1700]

95% of politicians regardless of party probably wouldn’t want a nuclear Iran. Problem is agreeing with Trump or supporting him on anything is something they can’t stomach.

TDS is a real thing both ways, people either defend everything Trump does or hate everything Trump does, there is no middle ground.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

You are the one seeking validation here. It's really pathetic

Nope. I made a statement. You guys are the ones offended by the idea our nation committed the two greatest acts of evil in human history so you're fighting back against my statement.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

It wouldn't have brought a quick end to the war.

So when we use nukes it brings the war to a quick end but if Japan were to drop 2 nukes on us we wouldn't have quit but kept fighting? LOL.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

The left holds the United States to a higher/different standard than they hold the rest of the world to because it fits the narrative they want to paint about the country.

Aren't we the "greatest country on earth"? Shouldn't we be held to a higher standard? Or are we not that great but just like everyone else?

Great men and nations are held to higher standards than average men and nations.