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KB5252 said:
This is why no one can take you seriously.
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There is no better trained or experienced combat force on the planet right now.

You plug US troops into Ukraine today and it would be a very rough first few months for us until we adapted.
 
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These are pretty helpful in understanding the history, although they've only released 2 of the 6 parts so far.

 
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Persian Vol said:
Might be one of the top 10 worst decisions in US history in hindsight.
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There is absolutely no way to know what Iran would be like today, but radical theocracy wasn't what Iran was about until we got involved. That was a response to the installation of the Shah.

If we minded our business, Iran might be the most western nation in Asia today, and a strong ally and trading partner. Who really knows?
 
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n_huffhines said:
There is absolutely no way to know what Iran would be like today, but radical theocracy wasn't what Iran was about until we got involved. That was a response to the installation of the Shah.

If we minded our business, Iran might be the most western nation in Asia today, and a strong ally and trading partner. Who really knows?
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Probably akin to a better version of modern day turkey.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Key word: protracted.

Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth. No one punches people in the mouth like United States air power.

When the Chinese people are watching their neighbors get shredded by A10s bbbbbbppppptttt every time they step outside to pee, much less shoot someone, a land invasion becomes much easier.

The only problem is where to put several billion surrendering POWs.
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Wars never really turn out as plans. Both WW1 and American Civil War are great examples as most belligerent thought these wars will be over quick and yet they turned into an ugly mess.
 
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utvolpj said:
But they don't need to be. What was the last time we needed to be good at war or the usa would fall? 1812?

The us being dragged into a war with Iran based in the same 30yr drum beat is senseless. It's idiotic. And its being led by a man who called out how predecessor for being so bad at negotiating that bombs were necessary
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The last war that you can argue the USA was under a potential real threat was WW2. However, threats today are different. Nations can now threaten us anywhere without ground invasions. Iran, if they get nuclear weapons, can put the nuclear warhead on a missile fire it up above our atmosphere and detonate it, creating EMP blast that knocks out the power grid. That is a real threat.
 
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volgr said:
There is no better trained or experienced combat force on the planet right now.

You plug US troops into Ukraine today and it would be a very rough first few months for us until we adapted.
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But no sane POTUS would deploy ground troops like the Russians are doing in Ukraine. This is why they're using conscripts and North Koreans and such. Ground war sucks.

Ground wars are humanity expensive for very little territory gain. Air wars are humanity inexpensive for lots of territory gain.

It's not 1939 Europe anymore.

Russia may have the world's best ground war fighting force (I'm skeptical) but no soldiers want to fight that way, obviously from the reports of issues with their ground forces in Ukraine since the war began.
 
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volbound1700 said:
The last war that you can argue the USA was under a potential real threat was WW2. However, threats today are different. Nations can now threaten us anywhere without ground invasions. Iran, if they get nuclear weapons, can put the nuclear warhead on a missile fire it up above our atmosphere and detonate it, creating EMP blast that knocks out the power grid. That is a real threat.
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I didn't know a high altitude nuclear detonation had a much larger range for emp pulse until your post. Thanks.
 
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