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volbeast33 said:
Why didn't he attend his immigration hearing that led to his deportation order?
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IDK what you're talking about. He was arrested for missing a paperwork deadline back in 2015 and we gotta upend his life, his wife's life, and his kid's life, presumably interrupt his employment which benefits who knows how many people, because....IDK, I don't understand this country anymore. We create problems for ourselves because of a missed deadline 10 years ago.

Judging by his skin color, I bet he gets to remain in the US so it's probably not going to be a terrible ending. Stay tuned.
 
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n_huffhines said:
IDK what you're talking about. He was arrested for missing a paperwork deadline back in 2015 and we gotta upend his life, his wife's life, and his kid's life, presumably interrupt his employment which benefits who knows how many people, because....IDK, I don't understand this country anymore. We create problems for ourselves because of a missed deadline 10 years ago.

Judging by his skin color, I bet he gets to remain in the US so it's probably not going to be a terrible ending. Stay tuned.
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www.newsweek.com

Green card holder detained by ICE at immigration appointment, wife says

A green card holder's wife told Newsweek ICE detained her husband during his final interview for U.S. citizenship.
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This is where it was stated that he missed an immigration hearing and 2019 and received a deportation order.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Whataboutism #8,945,622 here on VN. It grows tiresome and is not a legitimate response. Especially when Trump is magnitudes worse than all before him, combined.
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Less whataboutism and more about you being a hypocrite. You’re broken, I’m here to call it out as you fall deeper into your struggle. Sorry he hasn’t blown up a country or collapsed the US into a 3rd world country as you were led to believe.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
WW was a Statist who greatly expanded the scope and reach of the regulatory state. Incidentally; he was also a rapidly racist democrat (but I repeat myself).
We can also “thank” him for the income tax, Federal Reserve, and that precursor of the UN, the League of Nations.
Wilson basically started the descent of the US citizen into state controlled serfdom.
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That rabid racism would have been a rightist trait. WW was hostile to Socialists and Communists and sent troops to Russia against the Reds. Remember that T. Roosevelt and the Republicans of those days were Progressives.
 
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The main issue on this budget BS is that we've gotten so far from our Constitutional foundation with regards to it that any one of us can point the finger at pretty much anybody in government for having the fault and we'd be right.

The country was supposed to run on finances that we the people (and our directly elected representatives) could manage. Instead, Congress has deferred so much spending and budgetary authority to self-serving, executive-branch bureaucratic dorks that believe government is god that nobody knows what is actually funded. In cutting through this stuff, DOGE is valuable. At the same time, though, we have to untangle the decades of knots built into this crap by following the "rules", even if we're going through them somewhat backwards.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Whataboutism #8,945,622 here on VN. It grows tiresome and is not a legitimate response. Especially when Trump is magnitudes worse than all before him, combined.
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I too despise whataboutism and it's far too prevalent on the internet but the most frequent examples I see of its use is the "but Trump" crowd. That's where we see it the most
 
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volbeast33 said:
We definitely need to streamline our immigration system. It is too hard to become an American citizen, imo.
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I don't think that's the case.

The process should be easier, but until you take literally dozens of offices and random agencies out of it, that won't happen (did you know these people regularly lose digital submissions?). Our selectiveness needs to increase drastically.
 
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ButchPlz said:
I don't think that's the case.

The process should be easier, but until you take literally dozens of offices and random agencies out of it, that won't happen (did you know these people regularly lose digital submissions?). Our selectiveness needs to increase drastically.
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We should be selective but it definitely needs to be streamlined. My dads church helped a Russian family to come here. They spent over a decade here(without a legal way to work) and spent thousands of dollars before finally becoming citizens.
 
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volbeast33 said:
We should be selective but it definitely needs to be streamlined. My dads church helped a Russian family to come here. They spent over a decade here(without a legal way to work) and spent thousands of dollars before finally becoming citizens.
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I 100% agree. The immigration services are staffed by the same types as are in the rest of government. Possibly barely literate, usually with limited education, often hired for reasons beyond merit, and wholly disinterested in doing their work for anything beyond their relatively average pay. Can you imagine leaving your fate in hands like that? I can't. Thank God I never had to.
 
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volbeast33 said:
We definitely need to streamline our immigration system. It is too hard to become an American citizen, imo.
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It should be difficult.... immigrants need to assimilate to the culture and that takes time...you should not be able to migrate to country not share it values but take it benefits.
 
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EasternVol said:
That rabid racism would have been a rightist trait. WW was hostile to Socialists and Communists and sent troops to Russia against the Reds. Remember that T. Roosevelt and the Republicans of those days were Progressives.
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What party was progressive President Wilson a member of again?
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whodeycin85 said:
It should be difficult.... immigrants need to assimilate to the culture and that takes time...you should not be able to migrate to country not share it values but take it benefits.
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That's some made up requirement that never existed until a few years ago. Even the large numbers coming from Europe a guided years ago didn't assimilate in the first gen

What values did this example not share? Which ones must be shared to immigrate to the US?
 
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whodeycin85 said:
It should be difficult.... immigrants need to assimilate to the culture and that takes time...you should not be able to migrate to country not share it values but take it benefits.
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The problem is it is not "difficult" in terms of stuff immigrants need to do. We ought to 100% require strict English classes, history lessons, etc.. beyond the token crap that exists now.

It is difficult in that in the inevitability that one careless moron loses your (digital) submission, or a mailman drops your stuff off in the wrong place, or someone in the government misfiles your paperwork, you're now on the hook for hundreds of dollars at minimum to refile, or thousands of dollars if they start deporting you for their own fault- and half the time they don't even get you the right letter letting you know you're in deportation proceedings.
 
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utvolpj said:
That's some made up requirement that never existed until a few years ago. Even the large numbers coming from Europe a guided years ago didn't assimilate in the first gen

What values did this example not share? Which ones must be shared to immigrate to the US?
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The main difference I would say is that at the time the idea was probably that the US really just needed bodies to establish the country. We're pretty established now, and though we have a lot of differences there are a lot of ways to identify an "American", good and bad- ask people from any other country.

How you make any kind of assimilation a part of legal immigration is beyond me, though.
 
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EasternVol said:
You mean when the Democrats and Republicans were both nothing like they are today? You should remember from your time as a doughboy. If you still want to play that game, how about the progressive T. Roosevelt?
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Teddy Roosevelt was definitely a progressive. And hopefully you know enough history to know that he was eventually forced out of the Republican Party and had to form his own.
 
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ButchPlz said:
The main difference I would say is that at the time the idea was probably that the US really just needed bodies to establish the country. We're pretty established now, and though we have a lot of differences there are a lot of ways to identify an "American", good and bad- ask people from any other country.

How you make any kind of assimilation a part of legal immigration is beyond me, though.
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We still need bodies and until that is filled correctly we'll deal with immigration issues. It just must be addressed by something other than "deport them all"

Let's make everyone earn it. I mean, anyone against birthright citizenship has to be in favor of it. Force them all to take something like the Civics exam my 7th grader just took and either pass or give up their entitlements like SS or Medicare. Maybe we can just make it required to post in this forum....

All (kinda) kidding aside, I realize there's no easy answer but it shouldn't take 10-12yrs to certify someone as useful.
 
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Majors said:
Less whataboutism and more about you being a hypocrite. You’re broken, I’m here to call it out as you fall deeper into your struggle. Sorry he hasn’t blown up a country or collapsed the US into a 3rd world country as you were led to believe.
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He's a grift artists, making billions and billions off of being POTUS, and he's shameless about it. Worse, he gives license and permission to the resentment class to celebrate their anti-science, anti-intellectual, and bigoted views of the World.
 
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lawgator1 said:
He's a grift artists, making billions and billions off of being POTUS, and he's shameless about it. Worse, he gives license and permission to the resentment class to celebrate their anti-science, anti-intellectual, and bigoted views of the World.
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Probably a world record for the most hypocrisy in one post.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Whataboutism #8,945,622 here on VN. It grows tiresome and is not a legitimate response. Especially when Trump is magnitudes worse than all before him, combined.
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Whataboutism is what practical politics is all about.

Idealistic Politics gets to be principled, and gets to decide amongst a range of ideas in the hopes that the decisions that are made are the best decisions that can be made.

Practical Politics is all about X vs Y. Trump vs. Clinton. Biden vs. Trump. Harris vs. Trump.

It is not about whose policies and views we support fully, it is about whose policies and views we support more. And that is an important distinction. One votes not for the candidate they think is best among all possible candidates, but rather for the candidate they think is better between the two choices presented.

The way we determine who is "better" is by comparing the two choices to each other, i.e. "whataboutism."
 
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