Trump Ignores the Courts

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Velo Vol said:
Ignoring the courts AND congress.

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I know Trump is not doing it for the right reasons, but it is up to the executive to decide how much they want to enforce a law. Priority 1? Priority last? IMO, the executive implicitly has the power to not enforce a law because resources are not infinite. And in this case, he is not enforcing a terrible law. Congress can get ****ed on this one...and Trump can too because it was his idea to ban TikTok
 
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n_huffhines said:
I'm positive you have a pretty god idea of what's happening.

We now know

75% of the 238 detainees sent to the concentration camp in El Salvador were not criminals. Only 12 were accused of violent crime.

And the latest is

CATO was able to investigate 90 of the cases and found 50 of them came to the US legally.

You took the position, without knowing anything about anything, that they were afforded due process. When you were doing it at the time, I couldn't believe it. I knew you didn't know anything. You keep saying you don’t blindly trust the government, but you do when it's the dumbest admin ever violating the rights of the most vulnerable people, and subjugating them to concentration camps.

Caught up?
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Who is CATO?
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Who is CATO?
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A right-wing/libertarian think tank that people on the right used to love until immigration became such a big issue. "Conservatives" realized they didn't like free markets that much.

Honestly, I don't know how you can know much about right-wing politics without knowing who CATO is. That's crazy.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Who is CATO?
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n_huffhines said:
I'm positive you have a pretty god idea of what's happening.

We now know

75% of the 238 detainees sent to the concentration camp in El Salvador were not criminals. Only 12 were accused of violent crime.

And the latest is

CATO was able to investigate 90 of the cases and found 50 of them came to the US legally.

You took the position, without knowing anything about anything, that they were afforded due process. When you were doing it at the time, I couldn't believe it. I knew you didn't know anything. You keep saying you don’t blindly trust the government, but you do when it's the dumbest admin ever violating the rights of the most vulnerable people, and subjugating them to concentration camps.

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They may have came here legally and that legal status revoked. That doesn’t mean they didn’t receive all the due process they were entitled to.
 
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hog88 said:
They may have came here legally and that legal status revoked. That doesn’t mean they didn’t receive all the due process they were entitled to.
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75% were not criminals and they were sent to the wrong country to a concentration camp. How can due process result in this? How can due process result in the courts saying "you gotta bring back those guys, they didn't get due process." You know?

Die on this hill, bro
 
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n_huffhines said:
75% were not criminals and they were sent to the wrong country to a concentration camp. How can due process result in this? How can due process result in the courts saying "you gotta bring back those guys, they didn't get due process." You know?

Die on this hill, bro
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I’m not dying on this hill because IDGAF. It’s you that has his panties all in a wad over them.
 
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hog88 said:
I’m not dying on this hill because IDGAF. It’s you that has his panties all in a wad over them.
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You do care, which is why you're playing your only card. Devil's advocate is not a good replacement for, "this is how I know they got due process..."
 
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n_huffhines said:
You do care, which is why you're playing your only card. Devil's advocate is not a good replacement for, "this is how I know they got due process..."
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You may have already addressed this, but I am sure that you are totally cool with rounding up those that stayed after they were given deportation orders already. Over a million so far.
 
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n_huffhines said:
You do care, which is why you're playing your only card. Devil's advocate is not a good replacement for, "this is how I know they got due process..."
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So, you know they didn't?

Even if we took the report as fact, and I'm not convinced we should as much as you are... But even if we took the report as true and factual, we have zero insight into the specifics of any case.

For instance, just say that every one of them were TdA gang members in Venezuela and failed to report the association. That would give the appearance of being here legally while making them here illegally, found after the fact. Just say that they came here with temporary legal status as they went through the system, and then just skipped out on the system. That would make them illegal aliens. Just say that they came here legally, and then joined TdA. That would make them illegal, and also a member of a Foreign Terrorist Org.

Speaking of such, the AEA that they were deported under makes no distinction per immigration status. Just that they are an immigrant with membership/association, at the Executive Branch's discretion.

Wouldn't that be the actual argument at hand, as opposed to status when they arrived?

And without the details on each person, it would seem that you are playing devil's advocate, not realizing it, and chastising @hog88 for doing the same in response?
 
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From the links offered as proof of the Venezuelans' initial immigration status, it looks like the source of the proof is... The immigrants themselves?

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And it sounds like "refugee" requests are considered part of their legal status, even though they had no basis under immigration law to request refugee status. As I understand it, immigration law requires them to request refugee status from the first country they reach. How many countries lie between here and Venezuela?

It sounds like what we have here is a previous administration that refused to enforce immigration law, and a new administration that was elected to enforce immigration law, enforcing immigration law.
 
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norrislakevol said:
You may have already addressed this, but I am sure that you are totally cool with rounding up those that stayed after they were given deportation orders already. Over a million so far.
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Just as long as they get “due process”, which to him means they get to run around illegally forever. If you have deportation orders you ignored them you already had due process. If you are caught here illegally a free bus ticket back to wherever is good enough.
 
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C-south said:
Just as long as they get “due process”, which to him means they get to run around illegally forever. If you have deportation orders you ignored them you already had due process. If you are caught here illegally a free bus ticket back to wherever is good enough.
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I lost a good subcontractor this week because he failed to keep his paperwork in order. So back to Guatemala he went.

That’s on him.
 
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