2025 Transfer Portal Thread

[bleedingTNorange]

Yeah but Vol Club already doesn’t let me decide where the money I donate or fundraise through my business ventures goes. See attached proof.

And I understand it works different for the multi-million dollar donors.

But I can’t wrap my head around why basketball would be at any more of a competitive disadvantage than they are now. I already expect that 70% of the money goes to Football and always has

Well I think the $$$ amount is going to drop, unless NIL can they supplement things…it could be a same % but if $20m revenue from schools is half of what Spyre took in annually then that same % is now a much smaller number, but as I said the question then becomes can NIL supplement things? That’s the unknown.

Non P4 schools will benefit in hoops from this, Big East schools for example that don’t have a football program or don’t give 2 craps about football will be a larger % towards their hoops program than P4 schools will obviously, especially B10 & SEC.

 

[Lefteye]

Honestly, I don’t have a great answer. I suppose the specter of losing Tony hangs on people in the fanbase like a boogeyman so we all invent these reasons why he may bail for specific reasons if they occur. Personally, I think there are some programs that are probably able to be honest with themselves that there is a hard ceiling in football but they have tradition in baseball and may choose to swing the pendulum back one day to getting baseball right as long as football is just good enough to keep butts in seats. South Carolina comes to mind. Texas Tech.

I’m not sure if it happens, but I do constantly think about what revenue sharing may mean for Tennessee athletics if DW decides to try and go all-in to fix football. I trust him to balance it well though.

Think you nailed it w Boogeyman. Cause that’s what this conversation is right now. For the concern to come to fruition CTV would have to have a better situation/opportunity come up. And w the climate, I can’t picture a scenario better than what’s happening here rt now. But I’m an orange glasses wearing homer tho. lol

 

[AllVols3]

we were having this discussion on the VQ. Anyone else worried that our AD will sacrifice Mens basketball to make our football better when revenue sharing hits. I am very worried

No way DW does that

 

[AllVols3]

Strikes me that the big donors will have more say where their NIL contributions are spent versus the AD. If none of our big donors are passionate about a sport besides football then that’s where the money will go. JMO

Well Ament and Kobi are getting paid bigtime $$ to play bball. Big boosters love bball too.

 

[volhall16]

But that's thing I don't think UT will ever be a big winner in football in today's climate like the 90's. Would be awful if we put all resources towards football just to go 9-3 and have basketball and baseball suck. I'd rather put moderate resources in football go 7-5 or 8-4 with a year we make a run and still be elite at baseball and basketball

This x 100000. UT won’t ever be a true national championship contender in football, at least not anytime soon. I’d honestly prefer to become an all-out basketball/baseball school.

 

[Col_Cathcart]

.Non P4 schools will benefit in hoops from this, Big East schools for example that don’t have a football program or don’t give 2 craps about football will be a larger % towards their hoops program than P4 schools will obviously, especially B10 & SEC.

It’d be a larger % of a smaller number though in most cases so I’m not sure if it really changes the balance that much unless the non P4 schools can reinvest a higher portion of their revenue.

 

[Weezer]

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I think they misspelled "Classless". Welcome to Classless City.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

It’d be a larger % of a smaller number though in most cases so I’m not sure if it really changes the balance that much unless the non P4 schools can reinvest a higher portion of their revenue.

 

[LeannaVol]

This isn’t meant towards you, just a general thought/response on this topic because I’ve seen it a few places…what schools will give more to baseball? If you’re a SEC school you have to be football first or you’re getting left behind in the only sport that really makes money (basketball can make a little), so even say a Vandy or Missouri, I don’t think they can afford to essentially pass on football to devote a bunch towards baseball. Now, maybe say a school like Grand Canyon or similar, could they pour more into baseball than SEC schools could? Maybe so.

I could see schools like Vandy and Mississippi State, schools with a strong baseball tradition, recognizing they can’t really keep up with the SEC arms race in football, making a decision like that.

 

[deatojl]

But that's thing I don't think UT will ever be a big winner in football in today's climate like the 90's. Would be awful if we put all resources towards football just to go 9-3 and have basketball and baseball suck. I'd rather put moderate resources in football go 7-5 or 8-4 with a year we make a run and still be elite at baseball and basketball

Well, outside of the obvious National Championship season, we finished with 8 wins once, 9 four times, 10 twice and 11 twice in the 90s. We were consistently good throughout the decade but we also only played for a national championship once. The last three seasons, we have finished with 11, 9 and 10 wins. If our program continues that trend over the next several years, we will be at a comparable level of winning. I would love to get another natty at some point, though.

 

[walkenvol]

Right now money from the athletic department isn’t paying players, it’s money from boosters/donors/fans donating to the Vol Club (and a couple other smaller groups) is where they are being paid from. There’s no cap to this money, it’s whatever a collective can fundraise and get money for, for example we’ve heard of a $40m Texas football roster or $20m Kentucky basketball roster, neither would in theory be doable under the settlement which is projected to be $20m to schools annually to divide among sports however they see fit.

So the house settlement is proposing to put a cap on NIL$? Seems like that would be struck down by the courts based on their past rulings?

 

[bleedingTNorange]

So the house settlement is proposing to put a cap on NIL$? Seems like that would be struck down by the courts based on their past rulings?

Not a cap, but they want to require all deals be sent through a clearinghouse essentially, and then approved or not. Basically they want there to kind of be a fair market value, and actual legit money going to NIL, not just pay for play with no guardrails. Now as you say that likely will be hard to get to stick in court and there’s already folks looking for ways around it.

 

[walkenvol]

Not a cap, but they want to require all deals be sent through a clearinghouse essentially, and then approved or not. Basically they want there to kind of be a fair market value, and actual legit money going to NIL, not just pay for play with no guardrails. Now as you say that likely will be hard to get to stick in court and there’s already folks looking for ways around it.

If this stands then maybe we will see a government clearing house on CEO pay which obviously ain’t happening. Hard to believe the government can tell anyone how they can spend their money, but we will see - crazier things have happened!

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

I would think that players need to be employees before the government can do much to level the playing field. Then do something like regulating around having an anti-trust exemption. Before going after players though they need to look at coaches’ and administrators’ salaries.

 

[Stoerner Fumbles]

All contracts are based on the principle of fair consideration. I give you a dollar. You give me an apple is reasonable fair consideration. I give you one million dollars and you give me an apple and a kilo of cocaine is something else. The value of a players name, image and likeness does indeed have a discernible market value in autographs, jerseys or appearances. Additionally certain players have an endorsement value that also can be measured against the market value. Right now we are giving a player a dollar for an appearance, a signature or an endorsement (the apple) and we actually want them to play basketball for a certain university (the kilo of cocaine). Those who say that free market contracts can’t be regulated are partially correct. Fear of suit prior to specific legislation is warranted. No one wants to be sued. That said, the current system is broken. The problem occurs when commensurate value is exceeded egregiously in pursuit of something other than the stated transaction. Navigating all of this will be sticky and complicated, but not impossible. Everyone understands that NIL funds are already in violation of the spirit of both the NCAA regulations and the law. Proving that Bobby Spuckler’s Chevy is not getting 5mm in value from Nate Ament is problematic for a myriad of reasons including state law, federal law and even constitutional interpretation. The Supreme Court has ruled in several cases that a citizen can do what he/she wants, even to the point of buying elections under the absurd premise that money is speech. Additionally there are many other precedents in areas of antitrust legislation and state laws that make regulation difficult. Saban’s suggestion to the Furher involves enacting legislation specific to the matter. Separately there are both NCAA rules being considered and new possibilities that open after the athletes participate in profit sharing. These possibilities will open the door for examining fair consideration for NIL to close the door on dishonest practices. I assume it’ll take a few iterations to get it right, and there will be suits along the way. It is important to get it right soon.

 

[hUTch2002]

Yeah I am hearing Owen will most likely return to uk….

I’m also hearing that…from you all.

 

[hUTch2002]

Idk if you can keep butts in seats for FB, or any coach that’s willing to stick that out like Beamer, if they’re getting 1/2 the money of all other schools in the SEC. I just don’t know that I see any AD from a P4 conference doing that, it would essentially be suicide for those football programs imo.

I’m with you. Power 4 programs would all be in the same boat, which would somewhat keep the status quo, theoretically anyway.

 

[omghulkhands]

All contracts are based on the principle of fair consideration. I give you a dollar. You give me an apple is reasonable fair consideration. I give you one million dollars and you give me an apple and a kilo of cocaine is something else. The value of a players name, image and likeness does indeed have a discernible market value in autographs, jerseys or appearances. Additionally certain players have an endorsement value that also can be measured against the market value. Right now we are giving a player a dollar for an appearance, a signature or an endorsement (the apple) and we actually want them to play basketball for a certain university (the kilo of cocaine). Those who say that free market contracts can’t be regulated are partially correct. Fear of suit prior to specific legislation is warranted. No one wants to be sued. That said, the current system is broken. The problem occurs when commensurate value is exceeded egregiously in pursuit of something other than the stated transaction. Navigating all of this will be sticky and complicated, but not impossible. Everyone understands that NIL funds are already in violation of the spirit of both the NCAA regulations and the law. Proving that Bobby Spuckler’s Chevy is not getting 5mm in value from Nate Ament is problematic for a myriad of reasons including state law, federal law and even constitutional interpretation. The Supreme Court has ruled in several cases that a citizen can do what he/she wants, even to the point of buying elections under the absurd premise that money is speech. Additionally there are many other precedents in areas of antitrust legislation and state laws that make regulation difficult. Saban’s suggestion to the Furher involves enacting legislation specific to the matter. Separately there are both NCAA rules being considered and new possibilities that open after the athletes participate in profit sharing. These possibilities will open the door for examining fair consideration for NIL to close the door on dishonest practices. I assume it’ll take a few iterations to get it right, and there will be suits along the way. It is important to get it right soon.

And the irony of all these self-proclaimed rugged individualists practically BEGGING the government to institute regulation into college athletics will never not be hilarious.

 

[berryvol]

Was bringing this general idea up a lot this March to people who kept saying things like “the Cinderella is dead.” Obviously a big east school wouldn’t be a Cinderella and revenue sharing isn’t going to completely level the playing field across all conferences, but some of the non-P4 schools that just have basketball are going to have the funds to retain some of the talent they would otherwise lose to P4. Especially with how over-subsidized football will likely be in places like the SEC and B10, I think it will tilt the scales for non-P4, hoops only schools, ever so slightly.

 

[walkenvol]

All contracts are based on the principle of fair consideration. I give you a dollar. You give me an apple is reasonable fair consideration. I give you one million dollars and you give me an apple and a kilo of cocaine is something else. The value of a players name, image and likeness does indeed have a discernible market value in autographs, jerseys or appearances. Additionally certain players have an endorsement value that also can be measured against the market value. Right now we are giving a player a dollar for an appearance, a signature or an endorsement (the apple) and we actually want them to play basketball for a certain university (the kilo of cocaine). Those who say that free market contracts can’t be regulated are partially correct. Fear of suit prior to specific legislation is warranted. No one wants to be sued. That said, the current system is broken. The problem occurs when commensurate value is exceeded egregiously in pursuit of something other than the stated transaction. Navigating all of this will be sticky and complicated, but not impossible. Everyone understands that NIL funds are already in violation of the spirit of both the NCAA regulations and the law. Proving that Bobby Spuckler’s Chevy is not getting 5mm in value from Nate Ament is problematic for a myriad of reasons including state law, federal law and even constitutional interpretation. The Supreme Court has ruled in several cases that a citizen can do what he/she wants, even to the point of buying elections under the absurd premise that money is speech. Additionally there are many other precedents in areas of antitrust legislation and state laws that make regulation difficult. Saban’s suggestion to the Furher involves enacting legislation specific to the matter. Separately there are both NCAA rules being considered and new possibilities that open after the athletes participate in profit sharing. These possibilities will open the door for examining fair consideration for NIL to close the door on dishonest practices. I assume it’ll take a few iterations to get it right, and there will be suits along the way. It is important to get it right soon.

To me, your Apple comparison isn’t a good one. The players are being paid for their perceived / anticipated value. If I buy an apple and find it inedible then I would have recourse to seek damages (refund) from the seller. These NIL contracts are like a circus - you pays your money and hope to win the prize. I don’t know the answers that would agree with the court rulings, but the current system depends on the buyers to pay fair value. Currently, the buyers are spending like drunken sailors and then crying about a broken system.

 

[omghulkhands]

Was bringing this general idea up a lot this March to people who kept saying things like “the Cinderella is dead.” Obviously a big east school wouldn’t be a Cinderella and revenue sharing isn’t going to completely level the playing field across all conferences, but some of the non-P4 schools that just have basketball are going to have the funds to retain some of the talent they would otherwise lose to P4. Especially with how over-subsidized football will likely be in places like the SEC and B10, I think it will tilt the scales for non-P4, hoops only schools, ever so slightly.

It's hard to wrap my head around when you try to crunch the numbers.

A school like Providence for instance likely doesn't even generate $20M in revenue through basketball per year. Let alone to have that to distribute.

We know publicly how much they generate through ticket sales and Big East media rev shares.

Friar Athletics Reaches New Heights In Fundraising And Ticket Sales Results - Providence College Athletics

PROVIDENCE, R.I. – Providence College Vice President and Athletics Director Steve Napolillo announced today (Aug. 5) that, through the help of so many genero...

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Which combined isn't even $15M...

And a lot of those Big East Schools aren't going to look much different than Providence.

I don't understand how that Big East number could be so high. I have to be missing something...

or that guy is wrong.

 

[Stoerner Fumbles]

To me, your Apple comparison isn’t a good one. The players are being paid for their perceived / anticipated value. If I buy an apple and find it inedible then I would have recourse to seek damages (refund) from the seller. These NIL contracts are like a circus - you pays your money and hope to win the prize. I don’t know the answers that would agree with the court rulings, but the current system depends on the buyers to pay fair value. Currently, the buyers are spending like drunken sailors and then crying about a broken system.

That’s absolutely incorrect. The players are paid for their contributions to our team winning under the false pretense that they provide value to businesses. When Michael Jordan endorses your shoes, you get rich. When the Chevy dealer pays a player to come here, he wants wins. There is no chance he ever breaks even on that investment, much less profits.

 

[omghulkhands]

I guess if you subsidize the expenses, like coaching, travel, venue etc... exclusively through donors so that you get to distribute a larger percentage of the revenue to players, maybe that's how you make it make sense?

 

[omghulkhands]

Here is someone that did a deep dive into Seton Hall for instance

 

[YankeeVol]

Yeah but Vol Club already doesn’t let me decide where the money I donate or fundraise through my business ventures goes. See attached proof.

And I understand it works different for the multi-million dollar donors.

But I can’t wrap my head around why basketball would be at any more of a competitive disadvantage than they are now. I already expect that 70% of the money goes to Football and always has

Charge your phone dude